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[ANN] Release 8.0.0

Peter TB Brett
Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.0, the first
stable release of LiveCode 8.

Read more about LiveCode 8 here:
https://livecode.com/introducing-livecode-8/

Getting the Release
===================
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
via the automatic updater.

Release Contents
================
LiveCode 8 has a host of exciting new features.

Simplify design with widgets
----------------------------
The LiveCode engine now supports custom controls called "widgets", and
LiveCode now includes several widgets that simplify creating mobile apps.

Extend LiveCode with LiveCode Builder
-------------------------------------
Enhance LiveCode with your own new controls and libraries without any C
or C++ knowledge by using the new LiveCode Builder programming language.

Deploy to the browser with HTML5
--------------------------------
LiveCode standalones now run in a web browser, using a LiveCode engine
that runs as JavaScript.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_0.pdf

LiveCode 8.0.0 contains an additional 27 bug fixes since the LiveCode
8.0.0 RC 1 release.

Known issues
============
* HTML5 standalones do not currently work when they contain extensions
with dependencies

* 64-bit standalones for Mac OS X do not have support for audio
recording or the revVideoGrabber external

Feedback
========

Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!

The LiveCode Team

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Mike Kerner
WOOT!  WOOT!

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Peter TB Brett <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.0, the first stable
> release of LiveCode 8.
>
> Read more about LiveCode 8 here:
> https://livecode.com/introducing-livecode-8/
>
> Getting the Release
> ===================
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via the automatic updater.
>
> Release Contents
> ================
> LiveCode 8 has a host of exciting new features.
>
> Simplify design with widgets
> ----------------------------
> The LiveCode engine now supports custom controls called "widgets", and
> LiveCode now includes several widgets that simplify creating mobile apps.
>
> Extend LiveCode with LiveCode Builder
> -------------------------------------
> Enhance LiveCode with your own new controls and libraries without any C or
> C++ knowledge by using the new LiveCode Builder programming language.
>
> Deploy to the browser with HTML5
> --------------------------------
> LiveCode standalones now run in a web browser, using a LiveCode engine
> that runs as JavaScript.
>
> The full release notes are available from:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_0.pdf
>
> LiveCode 8.0.0 contains an additional 27 bug fixes since the LiveCode
> 8.0.0 RC 1 release.
>
> Known issues
> ============
> * HTML5 standalones do not currently work when they contain extensions
> with dependencies
>
> * 64-bit standalones for Mac OS X do not have support for audio recording
> or the revVideoGrabber external
>
> Feedback
> ========
>
> Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>
>
> Have fun!
>
> The LiveCode Team
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Dave Kilroy
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Very well done all of you :D

And what a day to do it on! (the force strong with those people in Edinburgh)

Dave
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Bob Sneidar-2
They were just waiting for me to finally pay for an indy license.

Bob S


On May 4, 2016, at 06:49 , Dave Kilroy <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

Very well done all of you :D

And what a day to do it on! (the force strong with those people in
Edinburgh)

Dave

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Peter TB Brett
On 04/05/2016 15:28, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> They were just waiting for me to finally pay for an indy license.

Thank you for subscribing -- it'll help us continue to make LiveCode
better for all our users!

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Roger Eller
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Sorry, but I still can not use this for production work. This bug is STILL
preventing use in my work environment.

[Bug 17374] Database errors appear each time LC 8.0.0 is opened in Win7-x64
in Fusion

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54789013/LC_errors/8.0.0-GM1-error.png




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On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Peter TB Brett <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.0, the first stable
> release of LiveCode 8.
>
> Read more about LiveCode 8 here:
> https://livecode.com/introducing-livecode-8/
>
> Getting the Release
> ===================
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via the automatic updater.
>
> Release Contents
> ================
> LiveCode 8 has a host of exciting new features.
>
> Simplify design with widgets
> ----------------------------
> The LiveCode engine now supports custom controls called "widgets", and
> LiveCode now includes several widgets that simplify creating mobile apps.
>
> Extend LiveCode with LiveCode Builder
> -------------------------------------
> Enhance LiveCode with your own new controls and libraries without any C or
> C++ knowledge by using the new LiveCode Builder programming language.
>
> Deploy to the browser with HTML5
> --------------------------------
> LiveCode standalones now run in a web browser, using a LiveCode engine
> that runs as JavaScript.
>
> The full release notes are available from:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_0.pdf
>
> LiveCode 8.0.0 contains an additional 27 bug fixes since the LiveCode
> 8.0.0 RC 1 release.
>
> Known issues
> ============
> * HTML5 standalones do not currently work when they contain extensions
> with dependencies
>
> * 64-bit standalones for Mac OS X do not have support for audio recording
> or the revVideoGrabber external
>
> Feedback
> ========
>
> Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>
>
> Have fun!
>
> The LiveCode Team
>
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Database errors starting LC8 on Windows [was: Release 8.0.0]

Peter TB Brett


On 04/05/2016 15:53, Roger Eller wrote:
> Sorry, but I still can not use this for production work. This bug is STILL
> preventing use in my work environment.
>
> [Bug 17374] Database errors appear each time LC 8.0.0 is opened in Win7-x64
> in Fusion
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54789013/LC_errors/8.0.0-GM1-error.png

Hi Roger,

Are you able to provide us with a copy of your virtual machine?  Since
we have not been able to reproduce that bug in any of our test
environments, that would really help us figure out what's going on and
resolve the issue for you.

                                                     Peter

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

jameshale
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Great news!

Congrats to the team, well done.

But as Colombo would say, there's just one more thing.

Looking at the pricing page on the website you need to scroll to the bottom to see the open source version.
Really there should be three columns, GPL (or Community), Indy, Business
With the features and benefits (and omissions) also listed to include GPL (or Community).

I supported the kickstarter because of open source.
I believe it should be there as an equally viable option at the same level as the paid for licenses, not hidden at the bottom of the page.
I am proud LC went open source, I would like LC to show they are proud too.

James
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Re: Database errors starting LC8 on Windows [was: Release 8.0.0]

Roger Eller
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No.  That would be against our company's security policies.  However, I can
allow you to have a remote look around via WebEx or TeamViewer.  Please
reply off-list if you would find this option helpful.

~Roger


On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Peter TB Brett <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
>
> On 04/05/2016 15:53, Roger Eller wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but I still can not use this for production work. This bug is STILL
>> preventing use in my work environment.
>>
>> [Bug 17374] Database errors appear each time LC 8.0.0 is opened in
>> Win7-x64
>> in Fusion
>>
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54789013/LC_errors/8.0.0-GM1-error.png
>>
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> Are you able to provide us with a copy of your virtual machine?  Since we
> have not been able to reproduce that bug in any of our test environments,
> that would really help us figure out what's going on and resolve the issue
> for you.
>
>                                                     Peter
>
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livecode.org [was: Release 8.0.0]

Peter TB Brett
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On 04/05/2016 15:28, jameshale wrote:

> Great news!
>
> Congrats to the team, well done.
>
> But as Colombo would say, there's just one more thing.
>
> Looking at the pricing page on the website you need to scroll to the bottom
> to see the open source version.
> Really there should be three columns, GPL (or Community), Indy, Business
> With the features and benefits (and omissions) also listed to include GPL
> (or Community).
>
> I supported the kickstarter because of open source.
> I believe it should be there as an equally viable option at the same level
> as the paid for licenses, not hidden at the bottom of the page.
> I am proud LC went open source, I would like LC to show they are proud too.

As it happens, we now have a whole new website for LiveCode's Open
Source edition:

http://livecode.org/

                                              Peter

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

jameshale
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Hmm, does this mean that LC6 and LC7 are now eol. (Apart from bug fixes or will these also cease)?

James

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LiveCode 6.7 and 7.1 end of live [was: Release 8.0.0]

Peter TB Brett
On 04/05/2016 16:11, James Hale wrote:
> Hmm, does this mean that LC6 and LC7 are now eol. (Apart from bug fixes or will these also cease)?

Hi James,

Both LiveCode 6 and LiveCode 7 are EOL.  They have both already been in
bugfix-only development since the 7.1.0 release.

We recently conducted some market research to determine the demand for
an extended-support period for LiveCode 6.7, and the results showed that
it just wouldn't be commercially viable.

Best regards,

                                         Peter

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Richard Gaskin-3
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jameshale wrote:

 > Looking at the pricing page on the website you need to scroll to
 > the bottom to see the open source version.
 > Really there should be three columns, GPL (or Community), Indy,
 > Business
 > With the features and benefits (and omissions) also listed to include
 > GPL (or Community).
 >
 > I supported the kickstarter because of open source.
 > I believe it should be there as an equally viable option at the same
 > level as the paid for licenses, not hidden at the bottom of the page.
 > I am proud LC went open source, I would like LC to show they are
 > proud too.

Me too.

Last year I proposed to Kevin that we split the .com and .org sites so
that each can best serve their respective audiences.

With the launch of v8.0 this has now begun - see:
https://livecode.org/

What's in place today is just the first steps for both sites.  All web
sites are an ongoing process, and there are a number of details
livecode.com and livecode.org will each need as we move forward.

One of the first steps is to make sure that folks looking for LiveCode
Community Edition can find it easily.  I've been corresponding with the
web team there this morning to make links to .org more discoverable, but
at the moment you can find links LiveCode.org in the footer at the
bottom of every page at LiveCode.com ("Open source project").

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Paul Dupuis
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On 5/4/2016 11:11 AM, James Hale wrote:
> Hmm, does this mean that LC6 and LC7 are now eol. (Apart from bug fixes or will these also cease)?
>

I am pretty sure that is exactly what this means. LC 6.7.11 and LC 7.1.4
are the last maintenance releases in those versions. LiveCode has stated
on these lists a few times that with the release of 8, maintenance on
older releases would come to an end.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Jim Lambert
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LC Team,

Congratulations on the release of LC 8.0 - a significant achievement.
Bravo.

Thanks,
Jim Lambert

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Mike Kerner
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Announcement is out in a different thread, too.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Paul Dupuis <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 5/4/2016 11:11 AM, James Hale wrote:
> > Hmm, does this mean that LC6 and LC7 are now eol. (Apart from bug fixes
> or will these also cease)?
> >
>
> I am pretty sure that is exactly what this means. LC 6.7.11 and LC 7.1.4
> are the last maintenance releases in those versions. LiveCode has stated
> on these lists a few times that with the release of 8, maintenance on
> older releases would come to an end.
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Richard Gaskin
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James Hale wrote:

 > Hmm, does this mean that LC6 and LC7 are now eol. (Apart from bug
 > fixes or will these also cease)?

Yep, just as they've been telling us for nearly a year, once v8.0 is
released the massive technical and financial burden of maintaining three
separate versions simultaneously is gone.

V6 and v7 each served a useful place along the road to where we are now
(mostly for isolating the deep changes for Cocoa and Unicode,
respectively), but their purpose has been served and now it's time to
get back to a more normal development path.

At this point v6 and v7 have joined v5 and v4 and all other earlier
versions, having reached sustainable end-of-life, still available for
download but no longer maintained.

Bug fixes and enhancements going forward will go into the v8.x series
and beyond....

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0

Richmond Mathewson-2
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Congratulations.

Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 17:12, Peter TB Brett wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.0, the first
> stable release of LiveCode 8.
>
> Read more about LiveCode 8 here:
> https://livecode.com/introducing-livecode-8/
>
> Getting the Release
> ===================
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via the automatic updater.
>
> Release Contents
> ================
> LiveCode 8 has a host of exciting new features.
>
> Simplify design with widgets
> ----------------------------
> The LiveCode engine now supports custom controls called "widgets", and
> LiveCode now includes several widgets that simplify creating mobile apps.
>
> Extend LiveCode with LiveCode Builder
> -------------------------------------
> Enhance LiveCode with your own new controls and libraries without any
> C or C++ knowledge by using the new LiveCode Builder programming
> language.
>
> Deploy to the browser with HTML5
> --------------------------------
> LiveCode standalones now run in a web browser, using a LiveCode engine
> that runs as JavaScript.
>
> The full release notes are available from:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_0.pdf
>
> LiveCode 8.0.0 contains an additional 27 bug fixes since the LiveCode
> 8.0.0 RC 1 release.
>
> Known issues
> ============
> * HTML5 standalones do not currently work when they contain extensions
> with dependencies
>
> * 64-bit standalones for Mac OS X do not have support for audio
> recording or the revVideoGrabber external
>
> Feedback
> ========
>
> Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>
>
> Have fun!
>
> The LiveCode Team
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Re: livecode.org [was: Release 8.0.0]

Richmond Mathewson-2
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Whacko!

Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 18:07, Peter TB Brett wrote:

>
>
> On 04/05/2016 15:28, jameshale wrote:
>> Great news!
>>
>> Congrats to the team, well done.
>>
>> But as Colombo would say, there's just one more thing.
>>
>> Looking at the pricing page on the website you need to scroll to the
>> bottom
>> to see the open source version.
>> Really there should be three columns, GPL (or Community), Indy, Business
>> With the features and benefits (and omissions) also listed to include
>> GPL
>> (or Community).
>>
>> I supported the kickstarter because of open source.
>> I believe it should be there as an equally viable option at the same
>> level
>> as the paid for licenses, not hidden at the bottom of the page.
>> I am proud LC went open source, I would like LC to show they are
>> proud too.
>
> As it happens, we now have a whole new website for LiveCode's Open
> Source edition:
>
> http://livecode.org/
>
>                                              Peter
>


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Re: LiveCode 6.7 and 7.1 end of live [was: Release 8.0.0]

Richmond Mathewson-2
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Be happy; over at Richmond's place those releases will live on for an
extended time;
especially the last release of version 7 as it offers the perfect
teaching interface without the
"distractions" of what version 8 offers.

I hope, however "end of life" version 7 is the ability to download it
will not suddenly vanish from the website.

Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 18:18, Peter TB Brett wrote:

> On 04/05/2016 16:11, James Hale wrote:
>> Hmm, does this mean that LC6 and LC7 are now eol. (Apart from bug
>> fixes or will these also cease)?
>
> Hi James,
>
> Both LiveCode 6 and LiveCode 7 are EOL.  They have both already been
> in bugfix-only development since the 7.1.0 release.
>
> We recently conducted some market research to determine the demand for
> an extended-support period for LiveCode 6.7, and the results showed
> that it just wouldn't be commercially viable.
>
> Best regards,
>
>                                         Peter
>


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