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[ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-2

J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-2.

Getting the Release
===================
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents
================

LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-2 contains 14 bugfixes and improvements. Since the last
stable version (8.1.5), more than 40 bugs have been fixed.

After taking community feedback into consideration we have made the
following improvements to the default handlers feature (added in LiveCode
8.1.6 RC-1):

Default Handlers: Make text of default handlers grey to emphasise they do
not yet exist
Default Handlers: Increase space between default handlers and extant ones
Default Handlers: If default handler name begins with P, ensure its first
char is not removed
Default Handlers: Add SE preference
Default Handlers: Ensure the params of a default handler are not LC
reserved words

Moreover, we have added 2 new interactive tutorials. You can access them
from the Start Center.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_6/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_6_rc_2.pdf


Feedback
========
Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-2

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This should be fun, and in the light of "taking community feedback into
consideration" we should all 'jump on'
anything we don't like with alternative (constructive) suggestions as
soon as possible.

Richmond.

On 7/18/17 7:30 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-2.
>
> Getting the Release
> ===================
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.
>
>
> Release Contents
> ================
>
> LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-2 contains 14 bugfixes and improvements. Since the last
> stable version (8.1.5), more than 40 bugs have been fixed.
>
> After taking community feedback into consideration we have made the
> following improvements to the default handlers feature (added in LiveCode
> 8.1.6 RC-1):
>
> Default Handlers: Make text of default handlers grey to emphasise they do
> not yet exist
> Default Handlers: Increase space between default handlers and extant ones
> Default Handlers: If default handler name begins with P, ensure its first
> char is not removed
> Default Handlers: Add SE preference
> Default Handlers: Ensure the params of a default handler are not LC
> reserved words
>
> Moreover, we have added 2 new interactive tutorials. You can access them
> from the Start Center.
>
> The full release notes are available from:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_6/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_6_rc_2.pdf
>
>
> Feedback
> ========
> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
>
> Have fun!
> The LiveCode Team
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-2

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On 2017-07-18 19:08, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
> This should be fun, and in the light of "taking community feedback
> into consideration" we should all 'jump on'
> anything we don't like with alternative (constructive) suggestions as
> soon as possible.

Alternative *concrete* suggestions are *always* helpful. (Just saying -
'I don't like it' or variants there-of somewhat less so ;)).

After all, it is hard to find the 'best' way when there is only one
*effective* option on the table.

Of course, the ideal situation is that we always find a way for
everybody to have their cake *and* eat it :)

At present, this does seem largely possible by 'adding a preference'...

Why do I get the feeling we might be having to do a vigorous 'moomin'*
on how prefs are handled in the IDE at some point soon...

Warmest Regards,

* For those that haven't encountered this before - we aren't allowed to
use R*F*CT*R, as it brings Kevin out in hives... Thus we use 'moomin'
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin) instead as they are entirely
inoffensive characters (on the whole, at least).

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-2

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Well; if the lot in Edinburgh are Moomins I'm a very opinionated Hemulen:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29487&p=156063#p155838

"All in the best possible taste", Richmond.


On 7/18/17 8:53 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> On 2017-07-18 19:08, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>> This should be fun, and in the light of "taking community feedback
>> into consideration" we should all 'jump on'
>> anything we don't like with alternative (constructive) suggestions as
>> soon as possible.
>
> Alternative *concrete* suggestions are *always* helpful. (Just saying
> - 'I don't like it' or variants there-of somewhat less so ;)).
>
> After all, it is hard to find the 'best' way when there is only one
> *effective* option on the table.
>
> Of course, the ideal situation is that we always find a way for
> everybody to have their cake *and* eat it :)
>
> At present, this does seem largely possible by 'adding a preference'...
>
> Why do I get the feeling we might be having to do a vigorous 'moomin'*
> on how prefs are handled in the IDE at some point soon...
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> * For those that haven't encountered this before - we aren't allowed
> to use R*F*CT*R, as it brings Kevin out in hives... Thus we use
> 'moomin' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin) instead as they are
> entirely inoffensive characters (on the whole, at least).
>

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-2

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:)

So that just leaves Little My, Tooticky, the ancestor, Sniff, The Groke, ...

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jul 2017, at 19:12, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Well; if the lot in Edinburgh are Moomins I'm a very opinionated Hemulen:
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29487&p=156063#p155838
>
> "All in the best possible taste", Richmond.
>
>
>> On 7/18/17 8:53 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On 2017-07-18 19:08, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>> This should be fun, and in the light of "taking community feedback
>>> into consideration" we should all 'jump on'
>>> anything we don't like with alternative (constructive) suggestions as
>>> soon as possible.
>>
>> Alternative *concrete* suggestions are *always* helpful. (Just saying - 'I don't like it' or variants there-of somewhat less so ;)).
>>
>> After all, it is hard to find the 'best' way when there is only one *effective* option on the table.
>>
>> Of course, the ideal situation is that we always find a way for everybody to have their cake *and* eat it :)
>>
>> At present, this does seem largely possible by 'adding a preference'...
>>
>> Why do I get the feeling we might be having to do a vigorous 'moomin'* on how prefs are handled in the IDE at some point soon...
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> * For those that haven't encountered this before - we aren't allowed to use R*F*CT*R, as it brings Kevin out in hives... Thus we use 'moomin' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin) instead as they are entirely inoffensive characters (on the whole, at least).
>>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-2

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Just as long as we don't get a bad case of hattifatteners!

Richmond.

On 7/18/17 9:19 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> :)
>
> So that just leaves Little My, Tooticky, the ancestor, Sniff, The Groke, ...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 18 Jul 2017, at 19:12, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Well; if the lot in Edinburgh are Moomins I'm a very opinionated Hemulen:
>>
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29487&p=156063#p155838
>>
>> "All in the best possible taste", Richmond.
>>
>>
>>> On 7/18/17 8:53 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On 2017-07-18 19:08, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> This should be fun, and in the light of "taking community feedback
>>>> into consideration" we should all 'jump on'
>>>> anything we don't like with alternative (constructive) suggestions as
>>>> soon as possible.
>>> Alternative *concrete* suggestions are *always* helpful. (Just saying - 'I don't like it' or variants there-of somewhat less so ;)).
>>>
>>> After all, it is hard to find the 'best' way when there is only one *effective* option on the table.
>>>
>>> Of course, the ideal situation is that we always find a way for everybody to have their cake *and* eat it :)
>>>
>>> At present, this does seem largely possible by 'adding a preference'...
>>>
>>> Why do I get the feeling we might be having to do a vigorous 'moomin'* on how prefs are handled in the IDE at some point soon...
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> * For those that haven't encountered this before - we aren't allowed to use R*F*CT*R, as it brings Kevin out in hives... Thus we use 'moomin' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin) instead as they are entirely inoffensive characters (on the whole, at least).
>>>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-2

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Thanks for adjusting/modifying the default handler list. Looks so much better now.

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> Am 18.07.2017 um 18:30 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-2.
>
> Getting the Release
> ===================
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ <https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/> or via
> the automatic updater.
>
>
> Release Contents
> ================
>
> LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-2 contains 14 bugfixes and improvements. Since the last
> stable version (8.1.5), more than 40 bugs have been fixed.
>
> After taking community feedback into consideration we have made the
> following improvements to the default handlers feature (added in LiveCode
> 8.1.6 RC-1):
>
> Default Handlers: Make text of default handlers grey to emphasise they do
> not yet exist
> Default Handlers: Increase space between default handlers and extant ones
> Default Handlers: If default handler name begins with P, ensure its first
> char is not removed
> Default Handlers: Add SE preference
> Default Handlers: Ensure the params of a default handler are not LC
> reserved words
>
> Moreover, we have added 2 new interactive tutorials. You can access them
> from the Start Center.
>
> The full release notes are available from:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_6/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_6_rc_2.pdf <http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_6/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_6_rc_2.pdf>
>
>
> Feedback
> ========
> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
>
> Have fun!
> The LiveCode Team
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On 07/18/2017 11:19 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> :)
>
> So that just leaves Little My, Tooticky, the ancestor, Sniff, The Groke, ...

WTF?

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On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:53 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Why do I get the feeling we might be having to do a vigorous 'moomin'*
> on how prefs are handled in the IDE at some point soon...
>

Ahem: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20098
;-)
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cf. Jacque's "Twilight Zone".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomintroll

We Europeans .  .  .

Richmond.

On 7/18/17 10:09 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 07/18/2017 11:19 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>> :)
>>
>> So that just leaves Little My, Tooticky, the ancestor, Sniff, The
>> Groke, ...
>
> WTF?
>

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And, Ahum +

Richmond.

On 7/18/17 11:06 pm, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:53 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Why do I get the feeling we might be having to do a vigorous 'moomin'*
>> on how prefs are handled in the IDE at some point soon...
>>
> Ahem: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20098
> ;-)
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On 07/18/2017 01:06 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:53 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why do I get the feeling we might be having to do a vigorous 'moomin'*
>> on how prefs are handled in the IDE at some point soon...
>>
>
> Ahem: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20098
> ;-)

+1

That would be great.
...but *please* don't use that resizing mechanism that makes the PI
change its size and position every time I sneeze.

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On 07/18/2017 01:07 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
> cf. Jacque's "Twilight Zone".
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomintroll
>
> We Europeans .  .  .

That's slightly different from the original link, and aside from the
troll reference I'm not sure how this is a replacement from the R-word.

I like the asteroid thing, but I prefer Asterix.

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Do you mean the one that we can't reproduce, or the one that's fixed in 9
DP 7? ;-)

Either way, it will be exactly the same mechanism, better to find and fix
your issue than to rewrite all the code and risk introducing new bugs.

If I have my way the standalone settings will go the same route.

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> On 07/18/2017 01:06 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:53 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Why do I get the feeling we might be having to do a vigorous 'moomin'*
> >> on how prefs are handled in the IDE at some point soon...
> >>
> >
> > Ahem: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20098
> > ;-)
>
> +1
>
> That would be great.
> ...but *please* don't use that resizing mechanism that makes the PI
> change its size and position every time I sneeze.
>
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On 07/18/2017 02:02 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> Do you mean the one that we can't reproduce, or the one that's fixed in 9
> DP 7? ;-)

Dunno - dp7/8 are unusable for me for a number of reasons.
I'm looking forward to dp9.

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@Mark
What reasons? I mean, if we don't know what are the issues preventing you
from using dp7/8, they are not likely to be fixed in dp9.

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> On 07/18/2017 02:02 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Do you mean the one that we can't reproduce, or the one that's fixed in 9
>> DP 7? ;-)
>>
>
> Dunno - dp7/8 are unusable for me for a number of reasons.
> I'm looking forward to dp9.
>
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On 07/18/2017 02:39 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> @Mark
> What reasons? I mean, if we don't know what are the issues preventing you
> from using dp7/8, they are not likely to be fixed in dp9.

Not to worry. Nothing that hasn't been reported already and is being
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Just out of interest, if it is not having the dictionary that makes them
'unusable', does it launch correctly in a browser if you change the script
of revIDEBrowserWidgetUnavailable to return true?

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> On 07/18/2017 02:39 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> > @Mark
> > What reasons? I mean, if we don't know what are the issues preventing you
> > from using dp7/8, they are not likely to be fixed in dp9.
>
> Not to worry. Nothing that hasn't been reported already and is being
> worked on.
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On 07/18/2017 10:51 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> Just out of interest, if it is not having the dictionary that makes them
> 'unusable', does it launch correctly in a browser if you change the script
> of revIDEBrowserWidgetUnavailable to return true?

Well, the CEF problem is one of the factors, yes. If it were only that
and the IDE didn't try to display things in a CEF browser I could get
around that. But I don't know what other parts of the IDE will start
using the CEF library, and considering that everything that tries to
causes me to force-quit and lose any unsaved work, that's a problem. But
I know the CEF issues are being worked on frantically, and we've talked
about that off-list, so I'm not trying to raise the issue here.

The all-but-invisible caret in field editing is also a pretty serious
problem, and I see from the github stream that it's been fixed for dp9,
so I'm also not worried about it - I'm just sticking with dp6 until the
next dp release.

...and I now use Bernd's TinyDictionary instead of the built-in
dictionary, so I don't need to try to monkeypatch the IDE for that. But
gimme a clue as to where to find revIDEBrowserWidgetUnavailable and I'll
give it a try just for giggles and let you know off-list.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-2

J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Cool, yeah I can see how the I-beam issue is a bit of a show-stopper!

revIDEBrowserWidgetUnavailable is in the IDE library, line 4696:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Toolset/libraries/revidelibrary.8.livecodescript#L4696

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:33 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 07/18/2017 10:51 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> > Just out of interest, if it is not having the dictionary that makes them
> > 'unusable', does it launch correctly in a browser if you change the
> script
> > of revIDEBrowserWidgetUnavailable to return true?
>
> Well, the CEF problem is one of the factors, yes. If it were only that
> and the IDE didn't try to display things in a CEF browser I could get
> around that. But I don't know what other parts of the IDE will start
> using the CEF library, and considering that everything that tries to
> causes me to force-quit and lose any unsaved work, that's a problem. But
> I know the CEF issues are being worked on frantically, and we've talked
> about that off-list, so I'm not trying to raise the issue here.
>
> The all-but-invisible caret in field editing is also a pretty serious
> problem, and I see from the github stream that it's been fixed for dp9,
> so I'm also not worried about it - I'm just sticking with dp6 until the
> next dp release.
>
> ...and I now use Bernd's TinyDictionary instead of the built-in
> dictionary, so I don't need to try to monkeypatch the IDE for that. But
> gimme a clue as to where to find revIDEBrowserWidgetUnavailable and I'll
> give it a try just for giggles and let you know off-list.
>
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