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Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Alejandro Tejada
Read this report:
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11603
Backdrop is not displayed on Linux

LiveCode 6.7.0 dp2, displays a black backdrop under
Lubuntu Linux 13.10.

but LiveCode turns very unstable while displaying
this backdrop...

After turning off this backdrop, LiveCode works fine.
Could you please test this in your own Linux version?

Thanks in advance!

Al
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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Richmond Mathewson-2
On 26/04/14 06:23, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Read this report:
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11603
> Backdrop is not displayed on Linux
>
> LiveCode 6.7.0 dp2, displays a black backdrop under
> Lubuntu Linux 13.10.
>
> but LiveCode turns very unstable while displaying
> this backdrop...
>
> After turning off this backdrop, LiveCode works fine.
> Could you please test this in your own Linux version?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Al
>
>
>

Confirmed:

Ubuntu Studio 14.04 (XFCE Window manager).

On setting the backdrop (black), the revTools palette disappears;

then, on setting up a new Mainstack that also is not visible,

straight after that the revMenubar stack also disappeared,

I said a few coarse word, then everything reappeared; clicked
on the revMenubar to Exit and the revTools palette and the
Untitled stack disappeared again.

Not good.

Mind you: I have never used a backdrop.

Richmond.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Peter Haworth
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Backdrop is messed up on OSX also.  Plugins loaded at startup disappear and
when you get them back, clicking on the backdrop hides them again.

Also,  parts of Livecode are still visible.

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On Apr 25, 2014 8:23 PM, "Alejandro Tejada" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Read this report:
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11603
> Backdrop is not displayed on Linux
>
> LiveCode 6.7.0 dp2, displays a black backdrop under
> Lubuntu Linux 13.10.
>
> but LiveCode turns very unstable while displaying
> this backdrop...
>
> After turning off this backdrop, LiveCode works fine.
> Could you please test this in your own Linux version?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Al
>
>
>
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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Richmond Mathewson-2
On 26/04/14 17:19, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Backdrop is messed up on OSX also.  Plugins loaded at startup disappear and
> when you get them back, clicking on the backdrop hides them again.
>
> Also,  parts of Livecode are still visible.
>
> Pete
>

Time for a bug report.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Peter Haworth
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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Richmond <[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 26/04/14 17:19, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Backdrop is messed up on OSX also.  Plugins loaded at startup disappear
>> and
>> when you get them back, clicking on the backdrop hides them again.
>>
>> Also,  parts of Livecode are still visible.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
> Time for a bug report.
>
> Richmond.
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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Richmond Mathewson-2
On 26/04/14 19:01, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Already there - 12302
>
> Pete
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Good stuff!

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

mwieder
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Alejandro-

Friday, April 25, 2014, 8:23:11 PM, you wrote:

> Read this report:
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11603
> Backdrop is not displayed on Linux

I don't understand why this is a problem.
The bug report shows a status of "awaiting build", which would
indicate that the bug has been fixed and will no longer be a problem
in the next dp release.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

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Hmmm-

Saturday, April 26, 2014, 9:36:25 AM, I wrote:

> I don't understand why this is a problem.
> The bug report shows a status of "awaiting build", which would
> indicate that the bug has been fixed and will no longer be a problem
> in the next dp release.

...although maybe I spoke too soon. I see the last comment from Ian
was on 15 April and dp2 was released on 17 April.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

mwieder
Talking to myself-

Saturday, April 26, 2014, 9:51:35 AM, I wrote:

> Hmmm-

> Saturday, April 26, 2014, 9:36:25 AM, I wrote:

>> I don't understand why this is a problem.
>> The bug report shows a status of "awaiting build", which would
>> indicate that the bug has been fixed and will no longer be a problem
>> in the next dp release.

> ...although maybe I spoke too soon. I see the last comment from Ian
> was on 15 April and dp2 was released on 17 April.

Nonetheless, backdrops are working properly in 6.7-dp2 on linux mint
14, and there are no backdrops in dp1, so it does look like the
problem is fixed.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Richmond Mathewson-2
On 26/04/14 20:20, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Talking to myself-
>
> Saturday, April 26, 2014, 9:51:35 AM, I wrote:
>
>> Hmmm-
>> Saturday, April 26, 2014, 9:36:25 AM, I wrote:
>>> I don't understand why this is a problem.
>>> The bug report shows a status of "awaiting build", which would
>>> indicate that the bug has been fixed and will no longer be a problem
>>> in the next dp release.
>> ...although maybe I spoke too soon. I see the last comment from Ian
>> was on 15 April and dp2 was released on 17 April.
> Nonetheless, backdrops are working properly in 6.7-dp2 on linux mint
> 14, and there are no backdrops in dp1, so it does look like the
> problem is fixed.
>

NO: the problem has NOT been fixed: it works OK on Linux Mint; jolly good.

It does not work (as I posted earlier) on Ubuntu Studio 14.04.

Defining "fixed" as 'it works on Linux Mint' is a bit . . .

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

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Richmond-

Saturday, April 26, 2014, 10:48:28 AM, you wrote:

> It does not work (as I posted earlier) on Ubuntu Studio 14.04.

> Defining "fixed" as 'it works on Linux Mint' is a bit . . .

...Yeah. I gave up on Ubuntu a long time ago because of Things Like
This.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Richmond Mathewson-2
On 26/04/14 21:15, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Saturday, April 26, 2014, 10:48:28 AM, you wrote:
>
>> It does not work (as I posted earlier) on Ubuntu Studio 14.04.
>> Defining "fixed" as 'it works on Linux Mint' is a bit . . .
> ...Yeah. I gave up on Ubuntu a long time ago because of Things Like
> This.
>

Maybe you did give up on Ubuntu: but, like Ubuntu or not, it is the
dominant form of Linux at the moment: and if this sort of thing "f***s
up on Ubuntu"
it does not count as 'fixed'.

For the sake of argument: I have a friend in Botswana who got hold of a
load of
"charitable gifts"; a bunch of Pentium IV machines with no operating
systems.

He put some type of Ubuntu on them . . . why?; well; the chap knows next
to nothing
about computers or operating systems; knows Ubuntu is FREE, some of his
co-workers
feel groovy because they know that 'Ubuntu' is a Swahili buzzword, seems
to have the most
online support . . . tiddly pom!

That chap had a terrible time installing Ubuntu; not because of Ubuntu
as such, but due to the
fact he is a teacher, not a computer chap. Having sweated his way
through that he is not likely to
want to do that all over again with Linux Mint.

Luckily he uses my EFL standalones that have been authored with RunRev
2.1.1 and Livecode 4.5,
and don't use a backdrop; so his case is neither here nor there at the
moment . . .

BUT; should my friend, and thousands like him, decide to start teaching
Livecode and/or
developing their own stuff this may become a problem.

---------------------------------------

I have never been enamoured of the built-in backdrop, and
in my Devawriter Pro I have the option of a backdrop using a tiled image.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

J. Landman Gay
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On 4/26/14, 9:19 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Backdrop is messed up on OSX also.

That's listed as a known issue in the 6.7 dp 1 release notes. I haven't
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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

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On 26/04/14 22:42, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 4/26/14, 9:19 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> Backdrop is messed up on OSX also.
>
> That's listed as a known issue in the 6.7 dp 1 release notes. I
> haven't looked at dp 2 yet though.
>

I honestly wonder how many Livecode programmers actually use the backdrop.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Warren Samples
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On 04/26/2014 12:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Nonetheless, backdrops are working properly in 6.7-dp2 on linux mint
> 14, and there are no backdrops in dp1, so it does look like the
> problem is fixed.


Also seems to be working fine here in both 6.6.2-rc2 and 6.7.0-dp2
running openSUSE with KDE4/Kwin.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Peter Haworth
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Mark Waddingham left a comment on my bug report that he thought he had
disabled backdrop in DP2 because he hadn't figured out how to get it
working properly so looks like not everything about it was disabled.  Due
to fixed in DP3.

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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, J. Landman Gay
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> On 4/26/14, 9:19 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Backdrop is messed up on OSX also.
>>
>
> That's listed as a known issue in the 6.7 dp 1 release notes. I haven't
> looked at dp 2 yet though.
>
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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

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I know of at least 1 :-)

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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Richmond <[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 26/04/14 22:42, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/14, 9:19 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>>> Backdrop is messed up on OSX also.
>>>
>>
>> That's listed as a known issue in the 6.7 dp 1 release notes. I haven't
>> looked at dp 2 yet though.
>>
>>
> I honestly wonder how many Livecode programmers actually use the backdrop.
>
> Richmond.
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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

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I use backdrop for impromptu LiveCode demos for customers or kids.  For planned demos or classes for customers, I use a clean desktop on a big screen and have no other applications running.  I used backdrop once when teaching computer-nerd kids one time and after they recognized the applicable windows, they dismissed it as silly.  

I’m not using Linux (yet), so I don’t know the issues there.  My experience applies to Windows and Mac.  

Dar


On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Richmond <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 26/04/14 22:42, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 4/26/14, 9:19 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> Backdrop is messed up on OSX also.
>>
>> That's listed as a known issue in the 6.7 dp 1 release notes. I haven't looked at dp 2 yet though.
>>
>
> I honestly wonder how many Livecode programmers actually use the backdrop.
>
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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

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Richmond-

Saturday, April 26, 2014, 11:33:00 AM, you wrote:

> Maybe you did give up on Ubuntu: but, like Ubuntu or not, it is the
> dominant form of Linux at the moment: and if this sort of thing "f***s
> up on Ubuntu"
> it does not count as 'fixed'.

Well, my use of "fixed" was done facetiously, and that word just so I
could use one of each the vowel in order...

> He put some type of Ubuntu on them . . . why?; well; the chap knows next
> to nothing
> about computers or operating systems; knows Ubuntu is FREE, some of his
> co-workers
> feel groovy because they know that 'Ubuntu' is a Swahili buzzword, seems
> to have the most
> online support . . . tiddly pom!

Yeah... Things Like This...
anyway, I won't get into religious wars here. I know Ubuntu has its
fans, as does Windows, as does <insertOShere>.

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Re: Backdrop in in 6.7.0 dp2 under Lubuntu Linux 13.10

Richmond Mathewson-2
On 27/04/14 03:16, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richmond-
>
> Saturday, April 26, 2014, 11:33:00 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Maybe you did give up on Ubuntu: but, like Ubuntu or not, it is the
>> dominant form of Linux at the moment: and if this sort of thing "f***s
>> up on Ubuntu"
>> it does not count as 'fixed'.
> Well, my use of "fixed" was done facetiously, and that word just so I
> could use one of each the vowel in order...
>
>> He put some type of Ubuntu on them . . . why?; well; the chap knows next
>> to nothing
>> about computers or operating systems; knows Ubuntu is FREE, some of his
>> co-workers
>> feel groovy because they know that 'Ubuntu' is a Swahili buzzword, seems
>> to have the most
>> online support . . . tiddly pom!
> Yeah... Things Like This...
> anyway, I won't get into religious wars here. I know Ubuntu has its
> fans, as does Windows, as does <insertOShere>.
>

I'm not a particular fan of Ubuntu: I am quite a fan of XFCE, and like
Debian derivatives.

However; once people have got over the "trauma" of leaving Windows
behind, they,
generally, want a "bung it on the computer and get on with things" sort
of type of
Linux; and Ubuntu's propaganda and/or exposure is such that that is the
one that
seems to fit that recipe.

As far as religious wars go . . . I have been through Mac OS 7 - 9, Mac
OS 10.1 to 10.9,
side trips to Windows NT, 2000, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista and 7, and a wide
variety of Linux distros:
and know that just at the moment UbuntuStudio fits my requirements 95% -
however I use my G3 iMac
running Mac OS 9.2 on a weekly, if not daily basis. And "just at the
moment" means that all my
"religious" preferences are provisional and likely to change at any
minute. I am not going to tie
myself down to one OS.

As far as I can see one of the greatest virtues in our world is to be
adaptable: and that holds true for
computers and computer systems just as well as everything else.

Here endeth the sermon for today.

Richmond.
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