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J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I haven't seen this type of user abuse since StarOffice 4 . . .

Opening 8.1.6-rc2 turns on a backdrop. (Mac Sierra)

Even worse, it sets a default so that launching RC1 has that backdrop.

It took me a while to figure out what the evil sheet over my desktop was .
. .

(staroffice 4 bit into that "take over the whole screen, and *we* are the
windowing authority.  I stayed with 3 until 5 came out . . .)

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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On 07/18/2017 04:37 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:

> I haven't seen this type of user abuse since StarOffice 4 . . .
>
> Opening 8.1.6-rc2 turns on a backdrop. (Mac Sierra)
>
> Even worse, it sets a default so that launching RC1 has that backdrop.
>
> It took me a while to figure out what the evil sheet over my desktop was .
> . .
>
> (staroffice 4 bit into that "take over the whole screen, and *we* are the
> windowing authority.  I stayed with 3 until 5 came out . . .)
>

Yep. LiveCode (any version) is now completely unusable for me.

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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> On 19 Jul 2017, at 1:42 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yep. LiveCode (any version) is now completely unusable for me.

Completely unusable might be overstating things a touch don’t you think? There is a menu to remove the backdrop (View > Backdrop). Looking at the PR it was meant to only set the backdrop if users were still in the first run mode of the start center. We will need to investigate why it has impacted others.

Cheers

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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On 07/18/2017 08:55 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> On 19 Jul 2017, at 1:42 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yep. LiveCode (any version) is now completely unusable for me.
>
> Completely unusable might be overstating things a touch don’t you think? There is a menu to remove the backdrop (View > Backdrop). Looking at the PR it was meant to only set the backdrop if users were still in the first run mode of the start center. We will need to investigate why it has impacted others.

Nothing but a backdrop. Takes over the screen. Everything else is hidden
behind the gray featureless backdrop. I had to alt-tab to a terminal
window (what if I didn't have one already running?) in order to kill -9
livecode.

And that means that there's no way to access the menu to undo the
damage. I had to remove my preferences files (which incidentally grew by
a couple of orders of magnitude) and recreate them.

No. I don't think that's overstating things *a touch*

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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> On 19 Jul 2017, at 2:10 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Nothing but a backdrop. Takes over the screen. Everything else is hidden behind the gray featureless backdrop. I had to alt-tab to a terminal window (what if I didn't have one already running?) in order to kill -9 livecode.
>
> And that means that there's no way to access the menu to undo the damage. I had to remove my preferences files (which incidentally grew by a couple of orders of magnitude) and recreate them.
>
> No. I don't think that's overstating things *a touch*


So you had no access to either the view menu to change the setting or the file menu to exit normally? That is odd and it appears you reported it a while ago http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17323 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17323>

Well a fix for one or the other is going to be a blocker for this release

Cheers

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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Don't know if it helps, but I didn't see this behavior. I frequently turn
on the backdrop when screen sharing and turn it off later. I wonder if the
problem only occurs if there is no preference set yet?

Mac OS X El Capitan.
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On July 18, 2017 11:12:23 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode
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> On 07/18/2017 08:55 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 Jul 2017, at 1:42 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep. LiveCode (any version) is now completely unusable for me.
>>
>> Completely unusable might be overstating things a touch don’t you think?
>> There is a menu to remove the backdrop (View > Backdrop). Looking at the PR
>> it was meant to only set the backdrop if users were still in the first run
>> mode of the start center. We will need to investigate why it has impacted
>> others.
>
> Nothing but a backdrop. Takes over the screen. Everything else is hidden
> behind the gray featureless backdrop. I had to alt-tab to a terminal
> window (what if I didn't have one already running?) in order to kill -9
> livecode.
>
> And that means that there's no way to access the menu to undo the
> damage. I had to remove my preferences files (which incidentally grew by
> a couple of orders of magnitude) and recreate them.
>
> No. I don't think that's overstating things *a touch*
>
> --
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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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Do your keyboard shortcuts work Mark? You could use Ctrl+M to pop open the
message box, and set the backdrop to none, then toggle it on and off via
the View menu, then hopefully it should be gone from your preferences.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 6:25 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> Don't know if it helps, but I didn't see this behavior. I frequently turn
> on the backdrop when screen sharing and turn it off later. I wonder if the
> problem only occurs if there is no preference set yet?
>
> Mac OS X El Capitan.
> --
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>
>
>
> On July 18, 2017 11:12:23 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On 07/18/2017 08:55 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 19 Jul 2017, at 1:42 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> >>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yep. LiveCode (any version) is now completely unusable for me.
> >>
> >> Completely unusable might be overstating things a touch don’t you think?
> >> There is a menu to remove the backdrop (View > Backdrop). Looking at
> the PR
> >> it was meant to only set the backdrop if users were still in the first
> run
> >> mode of the start center. We will need to investigate why it has
> impacted
> >> others.
> >
> > Nothing but a backdrop. Takes over the screen. Everything else is hidden
> > behind the gray featureless backdrop. I had to alt-tab to a terminal
> > window (what if I didn't have one already running?) in order to kill -9
> > livecode.
> >
> > And that means that there's no way to access the menu to undo the
> > damage. I had to remove my preferences files (which incidentally grew by
> > a couple of orders of magnitude) and recreate them.
> >
> > No. I don't think that's overstating things *a touch*
> >
> > --
> >   Mark Wieder
> >   [hidden email]
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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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I got that as well ; not good.

Richmond.

On 7/19/17 2:37 am, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:

> I haven't seen this type of user abuse since StarOffice 4 . . .
>
> Opening 8.1.6-rc2 turns on a backdrop. (Mac Sierra)
>
> Even worse, it sets a default so that launching RC1 has that backdrop.
>
> It took me a while to figure out what the evil sheet over my desktop was .
> . .
>
> (staroffice 4 bit into that "take over the whole screen, and *we* are the
> windowing authority.  I stayed with 3 until 5 came out . . .)
>

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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"only set the backdrop if users were still in the first run mode of the
start center."

Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people trying
out LiveCode for the first time
are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.

I really wonder if anyone, anywhere ever uses the backdrop?

Richmond.


On 7/19/17 6:55 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

>> On 19 Jul 2017, at 1:42 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yep. LiveCode (any version) is now completely unusable for me.
> Completely unusable might be overstating things a touch don’t you think? There is a menu to remove the backdrop (View > Backdrop). Looking at the PR it was meant to only set the backdrop if users were still in the first run mode of the start center. We will need to investigate why it has impacted others.
>
> Cheers
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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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The backdrop is a problem for the linux platform since I'm with LiveCode (4 years now). If you ever click on linux into the backdrop you are lost.
That's why this was my first Raspi stack: a 'work-around' for that.
(Raspi stacks collection #1)
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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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On 2017-07-19 08:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
> Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people
> trying out LiveCode for the first time
> are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.

Possibly - but until you test such a thing, a statement either way is
just conjecture... Hence why we are testing it!

Admittedly, this was perhaps a slightly riskier test then something like
the handler menu; although had it actually *only* affected people who
were still in 'first run' mode... No-one on this list would have
probably noticed, thus it would not have occasioned any comment.

There will be an RC-3 which fixes that problem at least - whether or not
the auto-backdrop will be kept (in first run mode) will be largely down
to what the analysis of results of the testing say.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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Personally, I have always liked, and often used a light gray backdrop to
minimize distractions from the OS.  It makes LiveCode feel more like a
unified environment.

~Roger

On Jul 19, 2017 4:55 AM, "Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <
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> On 2017-07-19 08:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people
>> trying out LiveCode for the first time
>> are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.
>>
>
> Possibly - but until you test such a thing, a statement either way is just
> conjecture... Hence why we are testing it!
>
> Admittedly, this was perhaps a slightly riskier test then something like
> the handler menu; although had it actually *only* affected people who were
> still in 'first run' mode... No-one on this list would have probably
> noticed, thus it would not have occasioned any comment.
>
> There will be an RC-3 which fixes that problem at least - whether or not
> the auto-backdrop will be kept (in first run mode) will be largely down to
> what the analysis of results of the testing say.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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Me too. Especially when my desktop is once again messy. And that happens quite often.

The backdrop function in LC even made me write a little tool which does something similar and layers over the whole desktop to hide the mess. Very useful when i demonstrate something to others on my computer.

Matthias


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> Am 19.07.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Roger Eller via use-livecode <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
> Personally, I have always liked, and often used a light gray backdrop to
> minimize distractions from the OS.  It makes LiveCode feel more like a
> unified environment.
>
> ~Roger
>
> On Jul 19, 2017 4:55 AM, "Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-07-19 08:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people
>>> trying out LiveCode for the first time
>>> are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.
>>>
>>
>> Possibly - but until you test such a thing, a statement either way is just
>> conjecture... Hence why we are testing it!
>>
>> Admittedly, this was perhaps a slightly riskier test then something like
>> the handler menu; although had it actually *only* affected people who were
>> still in 'first run' mode... No-one on this list would have probably
>> noticed, thus it would not have occasioned any comment.
>>
>> There will be an RC-3 which fixes that problem at least - whether or not
>> the auto-backdrop will be kept (in first run mode) will be largely down to
>> what the analysis of results of the testing say.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> --
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On 7/19/17 11:55 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> On 2017-07-19 08:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>> Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people
>> trying out LiveCode for the first time
>> are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.
>
> Possibly - but until you test such a thing, a statement either way is
> just conjecture... Hence why we are testing it!
>
> Admittedly, this was perhaps a slightly riskier test then something
> like the handler menu; although had it actually *only* affected people
> who were still in 'first run' mode... No-one on this list would have
> probably noticed, thus it would not have occasioned any comment.

Lumpy custard!

Other people who have commented on this are all "on this list";
otherwise they would have been unable to comment.

I noticed the backdrop because "there it was" when, having installed
8.1.6 RC 2, I started it up (Mac OS).

I have just installed that on Linux (64-bit) and got the backdrop at
startup as well.

I did say a "few rude words", but did not bother to comment on it until
others raised the issue as it
did not fuss me unduly . . .

>
> There will be an RC-3 which fixes that problem at least - whether or
> not the auto-backdrop will be kept (in first run mode) will be largely
> down to what the analysis of results of the testing say.

What kind of 'analysis' would that constitute?

Richmond.

>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>


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*Chacun à son gôut mais à ce ,o,ent c'est pas un choix!

Je voudrais un digestif.

Richmond.
*
On 7/19/17 1:17 pm, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

> Me too. Especially when my desktop is once again messy. And that happens quite often.
>
> The backdrop function in LC even made me write a little tool which does something similar and layers over the whole desktop to hide the mess. Very useful when i demonstrate something to others on my computer.
>
> Matthias
>
>
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>
>> Am 19.07.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Roger Eller via use-livecode <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>>
>> Personally, I have always liked, and often used a light gray backdrop to
>> minimize distractions from the OS.  It makes LiveCode feel more like a
>> unified environment.
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2017 4:55 AM, "Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-07-19 08:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people
>>>> trying out LiveCode for the first time
>>>> are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.
>>>>
>>> Possibly - but until you test such a thing, a statement either way is just
>>> conjecture... Hence why we are testing it!
>>>
>>> Admittedly, this was perhaps a slightly riskier test then something like
>>> the handler menu; although had it actually *only* affected people who were
>>> still in 'first run' mode... No-one on this list would have probably
>>> noticed, thus it would not have occasioned any comment.
>>>
>>> There will be an RC-3 which fixes that problem at least - whether or not
>>> the auto-backdrop will be kept (in first run mode) will be largely down to
>>> what the analysis of results of the testing say.
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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As Mark Waddingham expressed, it was only a test.  At least it wasn't
tested in a GM release.  All the fuss about it making LC unusable is a
stretch.

Matthias gave me an idea, so I made a small stack containing the image
which is applied to my desktop as a background, and I saved that to my
plugins folder.  EASY way to clean the desktop of icon mess!!!

This would be a great standard menu item: "Use my desktop image as
backdrop".

~Roger


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> *Chacun à son gôut mais à ce ,o,ent c'est pas un choix!
>
> Je voudrais un digestif.
>
> Richmond.
> *
> On 7/19/17 1:17 pm, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Me too. Especially when my desktop is once again messy. And that happens
>> quite often.
>>
>> The backdrop function in LC even made me write a little tool which does
>> something similar and layers over the whole desktop to hide the mess. Very
>> useful when i demonstrate something to others on my computer.
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> +49 5741 310000
>> ‌matthiasrebbe.eu <http://matthiasrebbe.eu/>‌
>>
>> Am 19.07.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Roger Eller via use-livecode <
>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>>>
>>> Personally, I have always liked, and often used a light gray backdrop to
>>> minimize distractions from the OS.  It makes LiveCode feel more like a
>>> unified environment.
>>>
>>> ~Roger
>>>
>>>
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On 2017-07-19 12:50, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
> Lumpy custard!

Just like your grandmother used to make?* ;)

> Other people who have commented on this are all "on this list";
> otherwise they would have been unable to comment.

Indeed - my point was simply that due to a bug which we obviously did
not notice before release, the default backdrop ON option was not
limited to those who were experiencing the 'first run' of the product.
Thus meaning, that it affected existing users (which was not our
intent).

> What kind of 'analysis' would that constitute?

So, at the user testing session, copious notes are taken, and discussed
afterwards. We also ask people involved to write up their experience and
give us feedback on specific points (and generally), these are also
discussed. This then allows us to have some idea how 'good' an idea is -
i.e. whether it is worth its cost balanced against its effectiveness.

In this case, the question is this:

For brand new users of LiveCode, who have never seen it before (and
quite possibly never used a programming environment before) does having
a backdrop in place initially help them in their first steps with the
product, particularly from the point of view of doing the first run
tutorials.

This is of course a slightly wooly and subjective question. However, it
is probably a good idea if over 50% of people we try it out on (from
various different groups - with different backgrounds) think it has
actually 'helped'.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. As a child, I used to frequently comment on the consistency of my
grandmother's custard... Her general response was "You grandfather likes
it thick, boy!"

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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I've just run 8.1.6 past "my kiddos" (even though their summer classes
have finished it is amazing
what happens when I write "ice cream" on Facebook) and about
half of them liked the backdrop, but none of them like the backdrop "as
a boring colour".

This is where we get all Shakespearian and start wombling on about "on
which to stay one's eye".

I tried them with a backdrop consisting of a textured colour (dark green
tweed sort of thing)
and they liked that a lot.

You owe me 15 choc-ices.

Richmond.

On 7/19/17 2:14 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> On 2017-07-19 12:50, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>> Lumpy custard!
>
> Just like your grandmother used to make?* ;)
>
>> Other people who have commented on this are all "on this list";
>> otherwise they would have been unable to comment.
>
> Indeed - my point was simply that due to a bug which we obviously did
> not notice before release, the default backdrop ON option was not
> limited to those who were experiencing the 'first run' of the product.
> Thus meaning, that it affected existing users (which was not our intent).
>
>> What kind of 'analysis' would that constitute?
>
> So, at the user testing session, copious notes are taken, and
> discussed afterwards. We also ask people involved to write up their
> experience and give us feedback on specific points (and generally),
> these are also discussed. This then allows us to have some idea how
> 'good' an idea is - i.e. whether it is worth its cost balanced against
> its effectiveness.
>
> In this case, the question is this:
>
> For brand new users of LiveCode, who have never seen it before (and
> quite possibly never used a programming environment before) does
> having a backdrop in place initially help them in their first steps
> with the product, particularly from the point of view of doing the
> first run tutorials.
>
> This is of course a slightly wooly and subjective question. However,
> it is probably a good idea if over 50% of people we try it out on
> (from various different groups - with different backgrounds) think it
> has actually 'helped'.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> P.S. As a child, I used to frequently comment on the consistency of my
> grandmother's custard... Her general response was "You grandfather
> likes it thick, boy!"
>

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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"the question is this:"

How many new users of LiveCode are actually "brand new" in the sense
that they have NO computer programming
experience at all?

And a few supplementary questions:

How many brand new users are going to be "freaked out" when the desktop
"they know and love" vanishes without a particularly obvious
way to make it reappear without quitting LiveCode?

Is this 'reappearance' of an enforced backdrop (Yes, Sports fans, it
came up way back) a 'fudge' to keep people who are rooting for a unified
tiddley-pom
(what's it called?) of your collective back?

Richmond.

On 7/19/17 2:14 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> On 2017-07-19 12:50, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>> Lumpy custard!
>
> Just like your grandmother used to make?* ;)
>
>> Other people who have commented on this are all "on this list";
>> otherwise they would have been unable to comment.
>
> Indeed - my point was simply that due to a bug which we obviously did
> not notice before release, the default backdrop ON option was not
> limited to those who were experiencing the 'first run' of the product.
> Thus meaning, that it affected existing users (which was not our intent).
>
>> What kind of 'analysis' would that constitute?
>
> So, at the user testing session, copious notes are taken, and
> discussed afterwards. We also ask people involved to write up their
> experience and give us feedback on specific points (and generally),
> these are also discussed. This then allows us to have some idea how
> 'good' an idea is - i.e. whether it is worth its cost balanced against
> its effectiveness.
>
> In this case, the question is this:
>
> For brand new users of LiveCode, who have never seen it before (and
> quite possibly never used a programming environment before) does
> having a backdrop in place initially help them in their first steps
> with the product, particularly from the point of view of doing the
> first run tutorials.
>
> This is of course a slightly wooly and subjective question. However,
> it is probably a good idea if over 50% of people we try it out on
> (from various different groups - with different backgrounds) think it
> has actually 'helped'.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> P.S. As a child, I used to frequently comment on the consistency of my
> grandmother's custard... Her general response was "You grandfather
> likes it thick, boy!"
>

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Re: Bug 20117: new rc2 sets a backdrop, and preferences for same

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I am sorry, but my French is not so good. Google translate gave me the following translation to English:

* Everyone to his taste but this, o, ent it is not a choice!
I would like a digestive.

But still wondering what you wanted to say.
(The German translation was even more confusing)




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> Am 19.07.2017 um 12:54 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
> *Chacun à son gôut mais à ce ,o,ent c'est pas un choix!
>
> Je voudrais un digestif.
>
> Richmond.
> *
> On 7/19/17 1:17 pm, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Me too. Especially when my desktop is once again messy. And that happens quite often.
>>
>> The backdrop function in LC even made me write a little tool which does something similar and layers over the whole desktop to hide the mess. Very useful when i demonstrate something to others on my computer.
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
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>>
>>> Am 19.07.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Roger Eller via use-livecode <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>>:
>>>
>>> Personally, I have always liked, and often used a light gray backdrop to
>>> minimize distractions from the OS.  It makes LiveCode feel more like a
>>> unified environment.
>>>
>>> ~Roger
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2017 4:55 AM, "Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <
>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-07-19 08:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people
>>>>> trying out LiveCode for the first time
>>>>> are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.
>>>>>
>>>> Possibly - but until you test such a thing, a statement either way is just
>>>> conjecture... Hence why we are testing it!
>>>>
>>>> Admittedly, this was perhaps a slightly riskier test then something like
>>>> the handler menu; although had it actually *only* affected people who were
>>>> still in 'first run' mode... No-one on this list would have probably
>>>> noticed, thus it would not have occasioned any comment.
>>>>
>>>> There will be an RC-3 which fixes that problem at least - whether or not
>>>> the auto-backdrop will be kept (in first run mode) will be largely down to
>>>> what the analysis of results of the testing say.
>>>>
>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark.
>>>>
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