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Peter Bogdanoff
Hi,

I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.

I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem to open now.

Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.

Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: Installer software

Paul_Hibbert
I haven’t worked with Windows for a while, but DropDMG works well for Mac and is constantly updated, it’s just a one time $24 licence.

http://c-command.com/dropdmg/

You can save layouts too so you don’t have to keep going through the same set-up every time.

Alternatively, if it’s simple drag and drop installations then zip files work fine too.

Paul
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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Peter Bogdanoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.
>
> I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem to open now.
>
> Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
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scott@elementarysoftware.com
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Hello Peter,

I use DropDMG <http://c-command.com/dropdmg/> for Mac delivery and Inno Setup  <http://www.jrsoftware.org/> for Windows.
To make using Inno Setup simpler, I use Inno Script Studio <https://www.kymoto.org/> which has a wizard feature that lets you build a basic install script for Inno Setup.  DropDMG is a commercial product. Inno Setup and Inno Script Studio are both freeware with a donation option.

I’ve used DropDMG for many years and have been very happy with the way it can automate the process of building slick DMG files. The thing I found most puzzling about DropDMG was that most of the setup work is done by first selecting “preferences…” from the application menu.  

The thing I (first) scratched my head about with Inno Script Studio was to not select individual folders to include with the installer (when the wizard asked for additional files or folders) but to just select the main folder that also encompasses the .exe.  I’m still a complete beginner with Inno Script Studio but my experiences so far have been good.

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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Peter Bogdanoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.
>
> I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem to open now.
>
> Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.
>
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Tiemo Hollmann TB
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Hi Peter,
you don't say, which installer maker version and which LC version you are
using, but I know, that older installer maker versions don't run with LC 8.
Perhaps you try to build the installer with LC 6.
Tiemo

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Hi,

I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.

I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem
to open now.

Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.

Peter Bogdanoff
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Tiemo Hollmann TB
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Hi Paul,

the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part of installation, extraction and copying 20000 videos from 10 zip files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag and drop from DMG" paradigm.

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I haven’t worked with Windows for a while, but DropDMG works well for Mac and is constantly updated, it’s just a one time $24 licence.

http://c-command.com/dropdmg/

You can save layouts too so you don’t have to keep going through the same set-up every time.

Alternatively, if it’s simple drag and drop installations then zip files work fine too.

Paul
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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Peter Bogdanoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I’m needing to create simple installers to deploy to Mac and Win desktop.
>
> I’ve purchased in the past Economy-x-Talk Installer Maker which doesn’t seem to open now.
>
> Any suggestions? I’m working in OS X, but use virtual Windows 10.
>
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On 09/12/2016 08:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call
> a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part
> of installation, extraction and copying 20000 videos from 10 zip
> files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag
> and drop from DMG" paradigm.

Hi Tiemo,

Don't forget that .DMG files are already compressed.  I would normally
recommend simply shipping your 20000 videos as separate files within
your app bundle.

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Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Peter,
thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 20000 video files (total 8 GB) in
10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice
location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to create
one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good idea? Wouldn't
this affect the loading time and memory requirement of the app? I always
thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is loaded into memory.

Tiemo

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On 09/12/2016 08:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call
> a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part
> of installation, extraction and copying 20000 videos from 10 zip
> files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag
> and drop from DMG" paradigm.

Hi Tiemo,

Don't forget that .DMG files are already compressed.  I would normally
recommend simply shipping your 20000 videos as separate files within your
app bundle.

                                       Peter



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Dave Kilroy
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This may well be over-kill for your need for a Windows installer - but in the past I used SetupBuilder (http://www.lindersoft.com) a lot and found it excellent even for complex installation scenarios

However starting at $169 it's not particularly cheap and there is a learning curve - but it does work!

Dave
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Interesting discussion here. It is possible to make an 8GB app bundle,
since the files inside the bundle are still individual files. It isn't a
good idea to include 8GB of videos in a stack. I wouldn't include all
8GB of files in one installer, since the installer is basically one big
stack (which runs completely indepenently of any other files). I would
put the files in a separate folder on the dmg and write a script that
copies the files from the folder to the preferred destination. Such a
script could be started from Installer Maker.

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Op 09-Dec-16 om 10:54 schreef Tiemo Hollmann TB:

> Hi Peter,
> thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 20000 video files (total 8 GB) in
> 10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice
> location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to create
> one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good idea? Wouldn't
> this affect the loading time and memory requirement of the app? I always
> thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is loaded into memory.
>
> Tiemo
>
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> Betreff: Re: AW: Installer software
>
>
>
> On 09/12/2016 08:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>
>> the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call
>> a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part
>> of installation, extraction and copying 20000 videos from 10 zip
>> files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag
>> and drop from DMG" paradigm.
>
> Hi Tiemo,
>
> Don't forget that .DMG files are already compressed.  I would normally
> recommend simply shipping your 20000 videos as separate files within your
> app bundle.
>
>                                        Peter
>
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Tiemo Hollmann TB
Thats exactly, what I am doing and that’s why I was a bit puzzled that Peter
recommended to put all 20000 files into the bundle.
Perhaps I've misinterpreted Peter
Tiemo

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Interesting discussion here. It is possible to make an 8GB app bundle, since
the files inside the bundle are still individual files. It isn't a good idea
to include 8GB of videos in a stack. I wouldn't include all 8GB of files in
one installer, since the installer is basically one big stack (which runs
completely indepenently of any other files). I would put the files in a
separate folder on the dmg and write a script that copies the files from the
folder to the preferred destination. Such a script could be started from
Installer Maker.

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Op 09-Dec-16 om 10:54 schreef Tiemo Hollmann TB:
> Hi Peter,
> thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 20000 video files (total 8
> GB) in
> 10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice
> location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to
> create one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good
> idea? Wouldn't this affect the loading time and memory requirement of
> the app? I always thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is
loaded into memory.

>
> Tiemo
>
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> Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Dezember 2016 10:42
> An: How to use LiveCode <[hidden email]>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Installer software
>
>
>
> On 09/12/2016 08:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>
>> the main reason for me to use installer maker is the feature, to call
>> a program after the installer has finished (which makes a second part
>> of installation, extraction and copying 20000 videos from 10 zip
>> files). I don't know, how I could realize this with the classic "drag
>> and drop from DMG" paradigm.
>
> Hi Tiemo,
>
> Don't forget that .DMG files are already compressed.  I would normally
> recommend simply shipping your 20000 videos as separate files within
> your app bundle.
>
>                                        Peter
>
>
>
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Peter TB Brett
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On 09/12/2016 09:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 20000 video files (total 8 GB) in
> 10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice
> location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to create
> one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good idea? Wouldn't
> this affect the loading time and memory requirement of the app? I always
> thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is loaded into memory.

A Mac OS X app bundle is just a set of files.  Nothing is loaded into
memory until it's explicitly loaded by the app program.

The LiveCode Business app bundle is 1.05 GB.  However, running the IDE
only needs about 70 MB of memory.  All of the other resources in the
bundle -- the standalone engines, documentation, and other files -- only
get accessed as and when they are actually used.

There's really no problem with having 20000 files in an app bundle.  The
Xcode app bundle is 9.97 GB and contains 214727 files.

                                          Peter

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Tiemo Hollmann TB
Very interesting to know, thank you
Tiemo

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On 09/12/2016 09:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> thats interesting. Right now, I pack the 20000 video files (total 8
> GB) in
> 10 zip files on DVD and store them when installing in a users choice
> location on HD. I would have never thought it would be a good idea to
> create one big  8GB app bundle. Do you think this would be a good
> idea? Wouldn't this affect the loading time and memory requirement of
> the app? I always thought that if you start an app, the whole bundle is
loaded into memory.

A Mac OS X app bundle is just a set of files.  Nothing is loaded into memory
until it's explicitly loaded by the app program.

The LiveCode Business app bundle is 1.05 GB.  However, running the IDE only
needs about 70 MB of memory.  All of the other resources in the bundle --
the standalone engines, documentation, and other files -- only get accessed
as and when they are actually used.

There's really no problem with having 20000 files in an app bundle.  The
Xcode app bundle is 9.97 GB and contains 214727 files.

                                          Peter

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I simply find it odd that the commercial versions of livecode don't include
installers, myself . . . this is *basic* functionality for anyone looking
to sell the software . . .

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> I simply find it odd that the commercial versions of livecode don't include
> installers, myself . . . this is *basic* functionality for anyone looking
> to sell the software . . .
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A widget you could create, Sir !

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> A widget you could create, Sir !


I could, but a the moment the project that I bought livecode for news my
attention itself.

This is kind of a basic functionality of a paid product . . .


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Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 > This is kind of a basic functionality of a paid product . . .

Perhaps.  Which other commercial multi-platform development tools
include an installer-maker?

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Dave Kilroy
Well when I was a Visual Studio guy if you wanted any sort of a decent installer you had to use 3rd party software

Making good Windows installers can be a big thing - and it used to be the market leader product for this (this is about 8 years ago now) was InstallShield and that was PRICEY! Like a couple of thousand pounds

There were and are of course many open source solutions such as Inno Setup ... but like I said earlier my particular favourite was Setup Builder...

Also, the typical scenario I came across was the devs would make something shiny and then expect the guys with the relevant experience to knock up the installer over the weekend - sometimes this was possible but often it wouldn't be depending on what functionality was needed

So no, I don't expect LiveCode to include an installer and would prefer Edinburgh spend time on developing other stuff instead

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Skip Kimpel
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> On Dec 10, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Dave Kilroy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Well when I was a Visual Studio guy if you wanted any sort of a decent
> installer you had to use 3rd party software
>
> Making good Windows installers can be a big thing - and it used to be the
> market leader product for this (this is about 8 years ago now) was
> InstallShield and that was PRICEY! Like a couple of thousand pounds
>
> There were and are of course many open source solutions such as Inno Setup
> ... but like I said earlier my particular favourite was Setup Builder...
>
> Also, the typical scenario I came across was the devs would make something
> shiny and then expect the guys with the relevant experience to knock up the
> installer over the weekend - sometimes this was possible but often it
> wouldn't be depending on what functionality was needed
>
> So no, I don't expect LiveCode to include an installer and would prefer
> Edinburgh spend time on developing other stuff instead
>
> Kind regards
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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