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Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Hi,

Just downloaded the open source version for Linux, but it comes as x64 only.
For some reason I've never figured my old PC doesn't like 64bit distros, the
graphics driver just doesn't work and after much messing I decided it was
easier to stick with a 32 bit distro. Any advice, short of upgrading my
hardware?

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Re: Linux 32bit?

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On 03/17/2017 01:24 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just downloaded the open source version for Linux, but it comes as x64 only.
> For some reason I've never figured my old PC doesn't like 64bit distros, the
> graphics driver just doesn't work and after much messing I decided it was
> easier to stick with a 32 bit distro. Any advice, short of upgrading my
> hardware?

I see both 64- and 32-bit versions on the download page. Are you saying
that the 32-bit link actually downloads a 64-bit binary?

...but yes, upgrading the old hardware would be good.

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Re: Linux 32bit?

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Just shut down, will try tomorrow.

On 17 March 2017 20:31:11 GMT+00:00, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:

>On 03/17/2017 01:24 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just downloaded the open source version for Linux, but it comes as
>x64 only.
>> For some reason I've never figured my old PC doesn't like 64bit
>distros, the
>> graphics driver just doesn't work and after much messing I decided it
>was
>> easier to stick with a 32 bit distro. Any advice, short of upgrading
>my
>> hardware?
>
>I see both 64- and 32-bit versions on the download page. Are you saying
>
>that the 32-bit link actually downloads a 64-bit binary?
>
>...but yes, upgrading the old hardware would be good.
>
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Re: Linux 32bit?

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On 17.03.2017 22:31, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

> On 03/17/2017 01:24 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just downloaded the open source version for Linux, but it comes as
>> x64 only.
>> For some reason I've never figured my old PC doesn't like 64bit
>> distros, the
>> graphics driver just doesn't work and after much messing I decided it
>> was
>> easier to stick with a 32 bit distro. Any advice, short of upgrading my
>> hardware?
>
> I see both 64- and 32-bit versions on the download page. Are you
> saying that the 32-bit link actually downloads a 64-bit binary?
>
> ...but yes, upgrading the old hardware would be good.
>

Why?

I'm running a dual core, 64-bit machine (DELL Optiplex 745) that's about
10 years old
and chugging along superbly.

I also deploy in my school 32-bit machines (HP) of the same age without
any obvious problems.

All current versions of LiveCode work superbly on all of the machines.

The obsession with continual upgrading is . . . .

Richmond.

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Re: Linux 32bit?

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
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OK, I'm back. When I follow the links I end up here:

https://livecode.org/download-after-sign-up/

There is only one button 'Download LiveCode Community'. I assume it then
probes my hardware and comes up with the wrong result because the download is:

'LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_1_3-Linux.x64'

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On Friday, 17 March 2017 13:31:11 GMT Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

> On 03/17/2017 01:24 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just downloaded the open source version for Linux, but it comes as x64
> > only. For some reason I've never figured my old PC doesn't like 64bit
> > distros, the graphics driver just doesn't work and after much messing I
> > decided it was easier to stick with a 32 bit distro. Any advice, short of
> > upgrading my hardware?
>
> I see both 64- and 32-bit versions on the download page. Are you saying
> that the 32-bit link actually downloads a 64-bit binary?
>
> ...but yes, upgrading the old hardware would be good.



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Re: Linux 32bit?

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Go here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
Another reason the site should provide a direct link rather than obfuscate.

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> OK, I'm back. When I follow the links I end up here:
>
> https://livecode.org/download-after-sign-up/
>
> There is only one button 'Download LiveCode Community'. I assume it then
> probes my hardware and comes up with the wrong result because the download
> is:
>
> 'LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_1_3-Linux.x64'
>
> --
> Phil Thane
>
> www.pthane.co.uk
> [hidden email]
> 01767 449759
> 07582 750607
> Twitter @pthane
> On Friday, 17 March 2017 13:31:11 GMT Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> > On 03/17/2017 01:24 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Just downloaded the open source version for Linux, but it comes as x64
> > > only. For some reason I've never figured my old PC doesn't like 64bit
> > > distros, the graphics driver just doesn't work and after much messing I
> > > decided it was easier to stick with a 32 bit distro. Any advice, short
> of
> > > upgrading my hardware?
> >
> > I see both 64- and 32-bit versions on the download page. Are you saying
> > that the 32-bit link actually downloads a 64-bit binary?
> >
> > ...but yes, upgrading the old hardware would be good.
>
>
>
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Re: Linux 32bit?

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Thanks, it's downloading now...

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On Saturday, 18 March 2017 13:45:19 GMT Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

> Go here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> Another reason the site should provide a direct link rather than obfuscate.
>
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode <
>
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> > OK, I'm back. When I follow the links I end up here:
> >
> > https://livecode.org/download-after-sign-up/
> >
> > There is only one button 'Download LiveCode Community'. I assume it then
> > probes my hardware and comes up with the wrong result because the download
> > is:
> >
> > 'LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_1_3-Linux.x64'
> >
> > --
> > Phil Thane
> >
> > www.pthane.co.uk
> > [hidden email]
> > 01767 449759
> > 07582 750607
> > Twitter @pthane
> >
> > On Friday, 17 March 2017 13:31:11 GMT Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> > > On 03/17/2017 01:24 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Just downloaded the open source version for Linux, but it comes as x64
> > > > only. For some reason I've never figured my old PC doesn't like 64bit
> > > > distros, the graphics driver just doesn't work and after much messing
> > > > I
> > > > decided it was easier to stick with a 32 bit distro. Any advice, short
> >
> > of
> >
> > > > upgrading my hardware?
> > >
> > > I see both 64- and 32-bit versions on the download page. Are you saying
> > > that the 32-bit link actually downloads a 64-bit binary?
> > >
> > > ...but yes, upgrading the old hardware would be good.
> >
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Re: Linux 32bit?

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On 03/18/2017 12:39 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
> OK, I'm back. When I follow the links I end up here:
>
> https://livecode.org/download-after-sign-up/

Ah.
Yeah.
That website makes FOSS look bad.
RR/LC's web presence keeps getting dumbed down.

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Re: Linux 32bit?

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
OK now I have the right download, just started the beginners' guide. I've been using and
writing about Linux and FOSS[1] generally for about 15 years but my programming
experience stopped at BBC Basic in about 1990-something.

Thanks for your help.

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On Saturday, 18 March 2017 13:13:47 GMT Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 03/18/2017 12:39 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
> > OK, I'm back. When I follow the links I end up here:
> >
> > https://livecode.org/download-after-sign-up/
>
> Ah.
> Yeah.
> That website makes FOSS look bad.
> RR/LC's web presence keeps getting dumbed down.



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Re: Linux 32bit?

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Because the LiveCode people have removed a link to the downloads page
because
they want to force you to submit a e-mail address. I mentioned this in
an earlier posting and expressed
my opinion that this was not a good idea at all.

Go here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Richmond.

On 3/18/17 9:39 pm, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:

> OK, I'm back. When I follow the links I end up here:
>
> https://livecode.org/download-after-sign-up/
>
> There is only one button 'Download LiveCode Community'. I assume it then
> probes my hardware and comes up with the wrong result because the download is:
>
> 'LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_1_3-Linux.x64'
>
> --
> Phil Thane
>
> www.pthane.co.uk
> [hidden email]
> 01767 449759
> 07582 750607
> Twitter @pthane
> On Friday, 17 March 2017 13:31:11 GMT Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 03/17/2017 01:24 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just downloaded the open source version for Linux, but it comes as x64
>>> only. For some reason I've never figured my old PC doesn't like 64bit
>>> distros, the graphics driver just doesn't work and after much messing I
>>> decided it was easier to stick with a 32 bit distro. Any advice, short of
>>> upgrading my hardware?
>> I see both 64- and 32-bit versions on the download page. Are you saying
>> that the 32-bit link actually downloads a 64-bit binary?
>>
>> ...but yes, upgrading the old hardware would be good.
>
>
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Re: Linux 32bit?

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This just echos what LiveCode have been doing for a long, long time, and
I get
slammed every time I mention it:

They talk "the talk" about FOSS, 'Community' and so on, and listen
when it suits them, but don't when it doesn't.

They show every sign of pushing LiveCode in a direction which wll
exclude a large part of their installed
base as well as make things far, far more difficult to use it as a
teaching/learning tool, and far less likely
to be taken up by 'coders' rather than 'programmers'.

The website is set up like a trap:

1. One can find the "Community" link if one scrolls way down the landing
page (cunningly placed
so it won't appear on any one's screen unless they have a monitor the
size of a double bed) and knows
what one is looking for.

2. The download the "Community" version of LiveCode (or any other
versions for that matter that one may want) is now made almost
impossible without submitting personal details.

Furthermore to this; having just set out to try to build Android
standalones I have found that their "guide" (for Linux at least) is
incorrect as one of the links is dead and the other one is outdated.

Richmond.

On 3/18/17 10:13 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

> On 03/18/2017 12:39 PM, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:
>> OK, I'm back. When I follow the links I end up here:
>>
>> https://livecode.org/download-after-sign-up/
>
> Ah.
> Yeah.
> That website makes FOSS look bad.
> RR/LC's web presence keeps getting dumbed down.
>

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Re: Linux 32bit?

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
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Hi Phil,

On 2017-03-18 20:39, Phil Thane via use-livecode wrote:

> OK, I'm back. When I follow the links I end up here:
>
> https://livecode.org/download-after-sign-up/
>
> There is only one button 'Download LiveCode Community'. I assume it
> then
> probes my hardware and comes up with the wrong result because the
> download is:
>
> 'LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_1_3-Linux.x64'

Yes - indeed - that would be a bug. I've filed a report about it here:

    http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19454

So, hopefully we will get it corrected soon.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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