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Skip Kimpel via use-livecode
Hi Richmond,

on Sun, 19 Mar 2017, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> This just echos what LiveCode have been doing
> for a long, long time, and I get slammed every time
> I mention it: They talk "the talk" about FOSS, 'Community'
> and so on, and listen when it suits them, but don't when it doesn't.

I do not understand about what you are talking about.
Could you provide very specific examples that explain this?

I feel compeled to repeat myself:

Probably, this email requirement only wants to create a link between new
LiveCode users and the current LiveCode community and company.

Does anybody knows how many new LiveCode users stop using this platform
after a single glance or after a really short time of use?

My educated guess is that many, many new users do not take enough time to
try this platform in all it's complexity and extension. Many new user are
just looking for a ready made solution for their application needs.

In my experience, some users do not want to learn something completely new
and unfamiliar. They just want a program with an interface similar to
Microsoft Office with added functionalities like scripting and compiling...

Maybe, just maybe, LiveCode should offer something like a free short course
on a single topic... a topic of interest for this new user in exchange for
this email direction.

Al
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Re: Linux 32bit?

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Something that might draw in New users who want a ready made solution are template stacks for various kinds of apps. Users would get a head start on an app, then customize it for their own purposes. Perhaps this already exists, as I haven't perused the site for awhile. I do know that the short course in making iOS apps, offered a year ago, badly needed proof reading by someone who didn't create the materials. I got discouraged at the time I had to waste and have up.

I know there is a lot out thete. Can a new user find it?

Bill

William Prothero


On March 19, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Richmond,

on Sun, 19 Mar 2017, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> This just echos what LiveCode have been doing
> for a long, long time, and I get slammed every time
> I mention it: They talk "the talk" about FOSS, 'Community'
> and so on, and listen when it suits them, but don't when it doesn't.

I do not understand about what you are talking about.
Could you provide very specific examples that explain this?

I feel compeled to repeat myself:

Probably, this email requirement only wants to create a link between new
LiveCode users and the current LiveCode community and company.

Does anybody knows how many new LiveCode users stop using this platform
after a single glance or after a really short time of use?

My educated guess is that many, many new users do not take enough time to
try this platform in all it's complexity and extension. Many new user are
just looking for a ready made solution for their application needs.

In my experience, some users do not want to learn something completely new
and unfamiliar. They just want a program with an interface similar to
Microsoft Office with added functionalities like scripting and compiling...

Maybe, just maybe, LiveCode should offer something like a free short course
on a single topic... a topic of interest for this new user in exchange for
this email direction.

Al
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Re: Linux 32bit?

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Template stacks is an idea that comes up periodically: what is needed is
for LiveCode to sort out
"Rev-Online" . . .

Richmond.

On 20/03/17 10:18, William A. Prothero, Jr via use-livecode wrote:

> Something that might draw in New users who want a ready made solution are template stacks for various kinds of apps. Users would get a head start on an app, then customize it for their own purposes. Perhaps this already exists, as I haven't perused the site for awhile. I do know that the short course in making iOS apps, offered a year ago, badly needed proof reading by someone who didn't create the materials. I got discouraged at the time I had to waste and have up.
>
> I know there is a lot out thete. Can a new user find it?
>
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
>
>
> On March 19, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Richmond,
>
> on Sun, 19 Mar 2017, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> This just echos what LiveCode have been doing
>> for a long, long time, and I get slammed every time
>> I mention it: They talk "the talk" about FOSS, 'Community'
>> and so on, and listen when it suits them, but don't when it doesn't.
> I do not understand about what you are talking about.
> Could you provide very specific examples that explain this?
>
> I feel compeled to repeat myself:
>
> Probably, this email requirement only wants to create a link between new
> LiveCode users and the current LiveCode community and company.
>
> Does anybody knows how many new LiveCode users stop using this platform
> after a single glance or after a really short time of use?
>
> My educated guess is that many, many new users do not take enough time to
> try this platform in all it's complexity and extension. Many new user are
> just looking for a ready made solution for their application needs.
>
> In my experience, some users do not want to learn something completely new
> and unfamiliar. They just want a program with an interface similar to
> Microsoft Office with added functionalities like scripting and compiling...
>
> Maybe, just maybe, LiveCode should offer something like a free short course
> on a single topic... a topic of interest for this new user in exchange for
> this email direction.
>
> Al
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Re: Linux 32bit?

Skip Kimpel via use-livecode
Hi

If I didn't know about livecode or Hypercard and stumbled on the main site
today - I would be off in a flash.

If I landed on the Xojo main page and went to the store the prices and the
layout are not eye watering

https://xojo.com/store/index.php

I actually prefer livecode (I have enterprize B4A and B4I - non terminating
and also the Xojo Desktop full)

The prices are such that I didn't really have to think about it

The fact that with b4A and Xojo you have a $99 startup and be able to
upload to the appstore is the easiest way of getting people in).

I see Livecode has been sending out emails to get the Business and Indy at
80% or 90% of to people who just signed up for the newsletter - was told by
a Foxpro Colleaque - he was ready to buy when LC  made the licences
terminate after a year.

I bring this up again - at least for the Android and IOS versions the fact
that the SDKs need updating every year or so is enough to keep someone
updating the system - you don't have to grab their balls and pull them by
the  short and curlies.

Hello anyone listening!!!

The reason I think many of us "whine" is that we want LC to get the
traction it deserves but it seems Marketing isn't half (a 10th?)  as good
as the Developers.

Now i'll go under my Rock.

Lagi

p.s.

The .org site is a disgrace to the LC web developer , and to the people at
LC towers who have given it their blessing it no pint in pulling punches.
If your going to put up a wbsite look at how the competition does the good
bits and the not so good bit and filter the wheat from the chaff.

On 20 March 2017 at 09:27, Richmond via use-livecode <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Template stacks is an idea that comes up periodically: what is needed is
> for LiveCode to sort out
> "Rev-Online" . . .
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 20/03/17 10:18, William A. Prothero, Jr via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Something that might draw in New users who want a ready made solution are
>> template stacks for various kinds of apps. Users would get a head start on
>> an app, then customize it for their own purposes. Perhaps this already
>> exists, as I haven't perused the site for awhile. I do know that the short
>> course in making iOS apps, offered a year ago, badly needed proof reading
>> by someone who didn't create the materials. I got discouraged at the time I
>> had to waste and have up.
>>
>> I know there is a lot out thete. Can a new user find it?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> William Prothero
>>
>>
>> On March 19, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>
>> on Sun, 19 Mar 2017, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>> This just echos what LiveCode have been doing
>>> for a long, long time, and I get slammed every time
>>> I mention it: They talk "the talk" about FOSS, 'Community'
>>> and so on, and listen when it suits them, but don't when it doesn't.
>>>
>> I do not understand about what you are talking about.
>> Could you provide very specific examples that explain this?
>>
>> I feel compeled to repeat myself:
>>
>> Probably, this email requirement only wants to create a link between new
>> LiveCode users and the current LiveCode community and company.
>>
>> Does anybody knows how many new LiveCode users stop using this platform
>> after a single glance or after a really short time of use?
>>
>> My educated guess is that many, many new users do not take enough time to
>> try this platform in all it's complexity and extension. Many new user are
>> just looking for a ready made solution for their application needs.
>>
>> In my experience, some users do not want to learn something completely new
>> and unfamiliar. They just want a program with an interface similar to
>> Microsoft Office with added functionalities like scripting and
>> compiling...
>>
>> Maybe, just maybe, LiveCode should offer something like a free short
>> course
>> on a single topic... a topic of interest for this new user in exchange for
>> this email direction.
>>
>> Al
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