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Clarence Martin via use-livecode
Hi,
is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough, especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why was that changed.

Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That would be awesome.

Regards

Matthias Rebbe



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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

Clarence Martin via use-livecode
I believe if you expand the entire property inspector pallette, the properties panel will expand.

Bob S


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:34 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough, especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why was that changed.
>
> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That would be awesome.
>
> Regards
>
> Matthias Rebbe


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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

Clarence Martin via use-livecode
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The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying ones.  I
really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
great for new users.

I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
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> Hi,
> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the
> Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough,
> especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why
> was that changed.
>
> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That
> would be awesome.
>
> Regards
>
> Matthias Rebbe
>
>
>
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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

Clarence Martin via use-livecode
Well since we are talking about it, I find that when I create a new property, or a new element in an existing property, having th click on the property, then on the name of the property is annoying. The same thing holds true for the property inspector and datagrids. You have to add a column, then CLICK on the colomn, then name the column, then click it again (sometimes reselect it) then you can change the label. GAH!!!

Bob S


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 13:07 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying ones.  I
> really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
> great for new users.
>
> I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
> property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.


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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

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Bob, that doesn´t work. The list field of the custom properties expands, but the value field at the bottom still keeps its size and there is no way to resize it.

> Am 16.07.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <[hidden email]>:
>
> I believe if you expand the entire property inspector pallette, the properties panel will expand.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:34 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough, especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
>> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why was that changed.
>>
>> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That would be awesome.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
>
>
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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

Clarence Martin via use-livecode
Sorry I misunderstood you.

Bob S


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 13:11 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Bob, that doesn´t work. The list field of the custom properties expands, but the value field at the bottom still keeps its size and there is no way to resize it.
>
>

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And since we are talking about it some more, open a property inspector pallet. Expand the pallet size so that the property pane gross. Now resize again only this time smaller. The property pane does NOT shrink with the pallet, but instead introduces scroll bars. That is a bit irritating too. I am constantly closing the pallets to reset them. Seems the property pane ought to shrink to a minimum height, THEN switch to scrolling if needed. But it's a small matter.

Bob S


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 13:10 , Bob Sneidar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Well since we are talking about it, I find that when I create a new property, or a new element in an existing property, having th click on the property, then on the name of the property is annoying. The same thing holds true for the property inspector and datagrids. You have to add a column, then CLICK on the colomn, then name the column, then click it again (sometimes reselect it) then you can change the label. GAH!!!
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 13:07 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying ones.  I
>> really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
>> great for new users.
>>
>> I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
>> property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.
>


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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

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Tom,
so you are also living with this? In LC 8.1.10 it´s even not possible to maximize the height of the Property Inspector. And the value field also displays only 3 lines of text.
I can´t believe that this was not  noticed by one of the LC Team. Are they not using the PI?
I noticed it already in LC8 and lived with it instead of filing a bug.  

But i´ve done so now <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21423>.

Matthias

> Am 16.07.2018 um 22:07 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <[hidden email]>:
>
> The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying ones.  I
> really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
> great for new users.
>
> I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
> property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the
>> Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough,
>> especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
>> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why
>> was that changed.
>>
>> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That
>> would be awesome.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

Clarence Martin via use-livecode
Hi all,

Thank you for the feedback.

We are aware of this problematic behavior. There is a bug report about it:
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20701

Best,
Panos
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
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> Tom,
> so you are also living with this? In LC 8.1.10 it´s even not possible to
> maximize the height of the Property Inspector. And the value field also
> displays only 3 lines of text.
> I can´t believe that this was not  noticed by one of the LC Team. Are they
> not using the PI?
> I noticed it already in LC8 and lived with it instead of filing a bug.
>
> But i´ve done so now <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21423>.
>
> Matthias
>
> > Am 16.07.2018 um 22:07 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> [hidden email]>:
> >
> > The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying
> ones.  I
> > really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
> > great for new users.
> >
> > I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
> > property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the
> >> Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough,
> >> especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
> >> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right.
> Why
> >> was that changed.
> >>
> >> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That
> >> would be awesome.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Matthias Rebbe
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

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On 07/16/2018 02:00 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thank you for the feedback.
>
> We are aware of this problematic behavior. There is a bug report about it:
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20701

Also
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19880
and by reference
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21289
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21088

Here's how I currently deal with the annoyance:

open the property inspector
select Custom from the menubar
resize the property inspector to its minimum size
now you can embiggen it to whatever size you like

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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

Clarence Martin via use-livecode
Mark,
but even then the “value” field still shows 3 lines of text and cannot be resized

> Am 17.07.2018 um 01:33 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <[hidden email]>:
>
> On 07/16/2018 02:00 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Thank you for the feedback.
>> We are aware of this problematic behavior. There is a bug report about it:
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20701
>
> Also
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19880
> and by reference
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21289
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21088
>
> Here's how I currently deal with the annoyance:
>
> open the property inspector
> select Custom from the menubar
> resize the property inspector to its minimum size
> now you can embiggen it to whatever size you like
>
> --
> --
> Mark Wieder
> [hidden email]
>
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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

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Bob:
 > I find that when I create a new property, or a new element
 > in an existing property, having th click on the property, then
 > on the name of the property is annoying.

Absolutely, and it's actually training people to learn and use
inefficient actions. Conceptually and with muscle memory! It's a pity so
many well-honed, valuable time-saving features of the IDE were discarded
and forgotten when updating it. An interface should be efficient to use
hands-on. Improvements don't reduce efficiency. It'll be a good thing
when the IDE regains some of the strengths it had.

Please QA this if you can - there are many such IDE issues but I haven't
had time. I'll add my vote. I'm usually working on a tight deadline when
I notice this stuff. There's another custom prop editor bug (an actual
bug that makes it easy to lose the edited text) but I forget the trigger
until I work with it again.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Clarence Martin via use-livecode
You may be referring to the issue when setting the value of a custom prop, if you click away, like to another stack or tool after editing in the value field, the prop will not retain the value you entered. Also clicking on another property will not retain the value. You have to tab out or click some other object in the property inspector. I've gotten into the habit of always tabbing out of the value field. This is the same for creating datagrid columns, which suffers from many of the same anomalies.

Bob S


> On Jul 17, 2018, at 03:59 , Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> There's another custom prop editor bug (an actual bug that makes it easy to lose the edited text) but I forget the trigger until I work with it again.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy


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Re: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value field

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Having worked with LiveCode 8 extensively now I can say
that the Property palette is far far more awkward to use thatn the
LiveCode 7 one,
and I wish there were an easy way to revert to that property palette.

Richmond.

On 17/7/2018 1:59 pm, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:

>
> Bob:
> > I find that when I create a new property, or a new element
> > in an existing property, having th click on the property, then
> > on the name of the property is annoying.
>
> Absolutely, and it's actually training people to learn and use
> inefficient actions. Conceptually and with muscle memory! It's a pity
> so many well-honed, valuable time-saving features of the IDE were
> discarded and forgotten when updating it. An interface should be
> efficient to use hands-on. Improvements don't reduce efficiency. It'll
> be a good thing when the IDE regains some of the strengths it had.
>
> Please QA this if you can - there are many such IDE issues but I
> haven't had time. I'll add my vote. I'm usually working on a tight
> deadline when I notice this stuff. There's another custom prop editor
> bug (an actual bug that makes it easy to lose the edited text) but I
> forget the trigger until I work with it again.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
>
> Custom Software Development
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
>
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That is a really silly problem which meant that I had to set 12 custom
props 4 times before I worked
out how to do something that should be rather more intuitive.

Richmond.

On 17/7/2018 5:51 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

> You may be referring to the issue when setting the value of a custom prop, if you click away, like to another stack or tool after editing in the value field, the prop will not retain the value you entered. Also clicking on another property will not retain the value. You have to tab out or click some other object in the property inspector. I've gotten into the habit of always tabbing out of the value field. This is the same for creating datagrid columns, which suffers from many of the same anomalies.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 03:59 , Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> There's another custom prop editor bug (an actual bug that makes it easy to lose the edited text) but I forget the trigger until I work with it again.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>
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