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Quicktime in Windows 10?

Peter Bogdanoff
Hi,

I’m getting reports that users aren’t able to install Quicktime on their new Windows 10 machines.

Any news or experiences with this?

Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

panagiotis merakos
Hi Peter,

QuickTime is not officially supported on Windows versions > 7. However, you
*may* be able to install it, even if it is not officially supported. See
this bug report for more details:

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16197

Best regards,
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Peter Bogdanoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I’m getting reports that users aren’t able to install Quicktime on their
> new Windows 10 machines.
>
> Any news or experiences with this?
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Peter Bogdanoff
Thanks Panos, I’ll try it out.

Peter

On Oct 19, 2015, at 12:18 PM, panagiotis merakos <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> QuickTime is not officially supported on Windows versions > 7. However, you
> *may* be able to install it, even if it is not officially supported. See
> this bug report for more details:
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16197
>
> Best regards,
> Panos
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> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Peter Bogdanoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’m getting reports that users aren’t able to install Quicktime on their
>> new Windows 10 machines.
>>
>> Any news or experiences with this?
>>
>> Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Paul Dupuis
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On 10/19/2015 2:46 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I’m getting reports that users aren’t able to install Quicktime on their new Windows 10 machines.
>
> Any news or experiences with this?
>

The Quicktime 7.7.8 installer will not let you install under Windows 8,
8.1, or Windows 10. Apple now makes it only available for Vista and
Windows 7.

The Quicktime 7.7.6 installer
(https://secure-appldnld.apple.com/QuickTime/031-08466.20141022.Xwlnm/QuickTimeInstaller.exe)
will install under Windows 8.x and 10 and works and runs fine (we did a
fair amount of QA testing) on both those versions of Windows.

We've take to directing our customers to download using our links to the
QT 7.7.6 installer. Hopefully that will last until LC <something past
version 8> where there will be a supported cross-platform media player.

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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Klaus major-k
Hi all,

> Am 19.10.2015 um 23:13 schrieb Paul Dupuis <[hidden email]>:
>
> On 10/19/2015 2:46 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’m getting reports that users aren’t able to install Quicktime on their new Windows 10 machines.
>> Any news or experiences with this?
> The Quicktime 7.7.8 installer will not let you install under Windows 8,
> 8.1, or Windows 10. Apple now makes it only available for Vista and
> Windows 7.
> The Quicktime 7.7.6 installer
> (https://secure-appldnld.apple.com/QuickTime/031-08466.20141022.Xwlnm/QuickTimeInstaller.exe)
> will install under Windows 8.x and 10 and works and runs fine (we did a
> fair amount of QA testing) on both those versions of Windows.
> We've take to directing our customers to download using our links to the
> QT 7.7.6 installer. Hopefully that will last until LC <something past
> version 8> where there will be a supported cross-platform media player.

yep, that is one of the not yet reached kickstarter goals! 8-)

QuickTime is dead, I’m afraid, so hopefully we'll see a new crossplatform
audio/video widget in the near future.


Best

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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Peter Bogdanoff
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Thanks Paul!!


On Oct 19, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Paul Dupuis <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 10/19/2015 2:46 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’m getting reports that users aren’t able to install Quicktime on their new Windows 10 machines.
>>
>> Any news or experiences with this?
>>
>
> The Quicktime 7.7.8 installer will not let you install under Windows 8,
> 8.1, or Windows 10. Apple now makes it only available for Vista and
> Windows 7.
>
> The Quicktime 7.7.6 installer
> (https://secure-appldnld.apple.com/QuickTime/031-08466.20141022.Xwlnm/QuickTimeInstaller.exe)
> will install under Windows 8.x and 10 and works and runs fine (we did a
> fair amount of QA testing) on both those versions of Windows.
>
> We've take to directing our customers to download using our links to the
> QT 7.7.6 installer. Hopefully that will last until LC <something past
> version 8> where there will be a supported cross-platform media player.
>
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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Paul Dupuis
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On 10/19/2015 5:44 PM, Klaus major-k wrote:
> QuickTime is dead, I’m afraid, so hopefully we'll see a new crossplatform
> audio/video widget in the near future.

Well QT is not dead. It runs and works under Windows (XP to 10) and OSX
(through El Capitan). It's just that Apple will not provide any
support/new releases IF some part of it stops working under some future
OS change, so there is risk that QT could stop working with the next
Apple or Microsoft OS patch. QT might still work under Windows 11 and
OSX 10.12 OR a minor security update to either OS could break QT for
good tomorrow.

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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Klaus major-k
Hi Paul,

> Am 20.10.2015 um 00:00 schrieb Paul Dupuis <[hidden email]>:
>
> On 10/19/2015 5:44 PM, Klaus major-k wrote:
>> QuickTime is dead, I’m afraid, so hopefully we'll see a new crossplatform
>> audio/video widget in the near future.
>
> Well QT is not dead. It runs and works under Windows (XP to 10) and OSX
> (through El Capitan). It's just that Apple will not provide any
> support/new releases IF some part of it stops working under some future
> OS change, so there is risk that QT could stop working with the next
> Apple or Microsoft OS patch. QT might still work under Windows 11 and
> OSX 10.12 OR a minor security update to either OS could break QT for
> good tomorrow.

OK, QuickTime is not dead, but it smells funny :-D


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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Peter Bogdanoff
If QT stops working, I am dead in the water for my projects, the major one that requires interoperability among OSX and all modern versions of Windows for a classroom of college students—it has to work for all of them, or it’s $ refunds back to all.

But this danger goes away if LC suddenly, magically produces a player widget, and LC8 is good to go. I haven’t tested LC8 much, because without the universal player control I can’t use it.

Peter

On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Klaus major-k <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
>> Am 20.10.2015 um 00:00 schrieb Paul Dupuis <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> On 10/19/2015 5:44 PM, Klaus major-k wrote:
>>> QuickTime is dead, I’m afraid, so hopefully we'll see a new crossplatform
>>> audio/video widget in the near future.
>>
>> Well QT is not dead. It runs and works under Windows (XP to 10) and OSX
>> (through El Capitan). It's just that Apple will not provide any
>> support/new releases IF some part of it stops working under some future
>> OS change, so there is risk that QT could stop working with the next
>> Apple or Microsoft OS patch. QT might still work under Windows 11 and
>> OSX 10.12 OR a minor security update to either OS could break QT for
>> good tomorrow.
>
> OK, QuickTime is not dead, but it smells funny :-D
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Mark Talluto
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Hi Peter,

We have found that QT 7.7.6 works best with Windows 10. There are two newer versions. 7.7.7 will not install on Windows 10. 7.7.8 will install on Windows 10, but does not support .mp4 videos due to a security concern, according to Apple.

-Mark Talluto


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> Hi,
>
> I’m getting reports that users aren’t able to install Quicktime on their new Windows 10 machines.
>
> Any news or experiences with this?
>
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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Paul Dupuis
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On 10/19/2015 6:03 PM, Klaus major-k wrote:
> OK, QuickTime is not dead, but it smells funny :-D
Indeed it certain does!

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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Richard Gaskin
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Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
 > If QT stops working, I am dead in the water for my projects, the
 > major one that requires interoperability among OSX and all modern
 > versions of Windows for a classroom of college students—it has to
 > work for all of them, or it’s $ refunds back to all.
 >
 > But this danger goes away if LC suddenly, magically produces a player
 > widget, and LC8 is good to go. I haven’t tested LC8 much, because
 > without the universal player control I can’t use it.

LC8 is down the road, and since QuickTime is already abandonware it may
be better to focus on the here-and-now so you have have a solution in
your hands today if possible:

What problems have you encountered using players on Windows without
QuickTime?

The team patched a few bugs in their Windows media playback a few
versions back, so if you haven't tried it recently you may be pleasantly
surprised.

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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Peter Bogdanoff
Yes, however my audio playback uses callbacks for interactivity—probably not available with Windows media playback?

Peter

On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Richard Gaskin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> > If QT stops working, I am dead in the water for my projects, the
> > major one that requires interoperability among OSX and all modern
> > versions of Windows for a classroom of college students—it has to
> > work for all of them, or it’s $ refunds back to all.
> >
> > But this danger goes away if LC suddenly, magically produces a player
> > widget, and LC8 is good to go. I haven’t tested LC8 much, because
> > without the universal player control I can’t use it.
>
> LC8 is down the road, and since QuickTime is already abandonware it may be better to focus on the here-and-now so you have have a solution in your hands today if possible:
>
> What problems have you encountered using players on Windows without QuickTime?
>
> The team patched a few bugs in their Windows media playback a few versions back, so if you haven't tried it recently you may be pleasantly surprised.
>
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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Richard Gaskin
Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> Yes, however my audio playback uses callbacks for interactivity—probably not available with Windows media playback?

Does Apple's CoreAV provide callbacks?  Does the Win media player API?

I had thought (perhaps mistakenly) that LC's timers in the
post-QuickTime world were implemented within the engine using the
equivalent of timers, no?

If currentTime is still working you should be able to script a
workaround with timers easily enough.  The polling required is less
efficient, but under the current plan I don't expect to see media
playback for Win or Linux overhauled for at least another year, if not
longer, so we need to explore other solutions for now.

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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Monte Goulding

> On 20 Oct 2015, at 9:54 am, Richard Gaskin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>> Yes, however my audio playback uses callbacks for interactivity—probably not available with Windows media playback?
>
> Does Apple's CoreAV provide callbacks?

AVFoundation has callbacks. I don’t know about windows.


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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Peter Bogdanoff
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That is probably worth exploring…

Thanks Richard.


On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Richard Gaskin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>> Yes, however my audio playback uses callbacks for interactivity—probably not available with Windows media playback?
>
> Does Apple's CoreAV provide callbacks?  Does the Win media player API?
>
> I had thought (perhaps mistakenly) that LC's timers in the post-QuickTime world were implemented within the engine using the equivalent of timers, no?
>
> If currentTime is still working you should be able to script a workaround with timers easily enough.  The polling required is less efficient, but under the current plan I don't expect to see media playback for Win or Linux overhauled for at least another year, if not longer, so we need to explore other solutions for now.
>
> --
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RE: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Ralph DiMola
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That's what Frank Zappa said about Jazz.
"Jazz is not dead... it just smells funny"

Ralph DiMola
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>OK, QuickTime is not dead, but it smells funny :-D


>Best

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AW: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Tiemo Hollmann TB
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Hi Peter,
be aware that AVFoundation doesn't supports all video codecs as QT did. Same
can happen, when a windows solution will come up. So even if you  switch
some time to the new LC media player, you might supply completely new coded
videos. See the guidelines of AVFoundation.
Tiemo


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Betreff: Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

If QT stops working, I am dead in the water for my projects, the major one
that requires interoperability among OSX and all modern versions of Windows
for a classroom of college students—it has to work for all of them, or it’s
$ refunds back to all.

But this danger goes away if LC suddenly, magically produces a player
widget, and LC8 is good to go. I haven’t tested LC8 much, because without
the universal player control I can’t use it.

Peter

On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Klaus major-k <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
>> Am 20.10.2015 um 00:00 schrieb Paul Dupuis <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> On 10/19/2015 5:44 PM, Klaus major-k wrote:
>>> QuickTime is dead, I’m afraid, so hopefully we'll see a new
>>> crossplatform audio/video widget in the near future.
>>
>> Well QT is not dead. It runs and works under Windows (XP to 10) and
>> OSX (through El Capitan). It's just that Apple will not provide any
>> support/new releases IF some part of it stops working under some
>> future OS change, so there is risk that QT could stop working with
>> the next Apple or Microsoft OS patch. QT might still work under
>> Windows 11 and OSX 10.12 OR a minor security update to either OS
>> could break QT for good tomorrow.
>
> OK, QuickTime is not dead, but it smells funny :-D
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
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Re: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Klaus major-k
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Hi Ralph,

> Am 20.10.2015 um 02:07 schrieb Ralph DiMola <[hidden email]>:
>
>
> That's what Frank Zappa said about Jazz.
> "Jazz is not dead... it just smells funny“

yes, I dared to adapt it to suit our current problem :-)

> Ralph DiMola
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>
>> OK, QuickTime is not dead, but it smells funny :-D

Best

Klaus

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RE: Quicktime in Windows 10?

Ralph DiMola
Nice... I love to see FZ references now and again.

"The present day composers refuse to die"
Edgard Varèse

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Hi Ralph,

> Am 20.10.2015 um 02:07 schrieb Ralph DiMola <[hidden email]>:
>
>
> That's what Frank Zappa said about Jazz.
> "Jazz is not dead... it just smells funny“

yes, I dared to adapt it to suit our current problem :-)

> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
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>
>> OK, QuickTime is not dead, but it smells funny :-D

Best

Klaus

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