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Mathewson
Well,

I read something a bit odd
by a chap called Jon on the Rev use-list about
supposed bugs in the 2.6 documentation.

And, being the sort that finds it awfully difficult to keep
my mouth shut (no, surely not?) I thought I would bung in
my few cents worth:

Being the proud, new owner of DreamCard 2.6, I find myself
returning repeatedly to RR 2.0.1 to consult the Transcript
Dictionary - Why ??? - because, in my experience it is
considerably SIMPLER and MORE RESPONSIVE than the HELP
system in 2.6 which, I feel, suffers from a type of FEATURE
BLOAT.

Maybe, the HELP system in 2.6 needs to be 'chopped up' into
lots of interconnected substacks that will not slow things
down so drastically.

My development machine is a G4 Mac (dual 1.27 GHz, 1 GB
RAM), so not quite as slow as some computers - but when I
open HELP in DC 2.6 everything grinds to a halt.

So, ran RR 2.0.1 in the background until I worked out how
to extract the Transcript dictionary and import it into the
RevTools stack of my DC 2.6 --- not totally satisfactory,
but it will do at the moment.

Certainly, the Transcript Dictionary (and other parts of
the RR 2 help system) work lika a charm compared to 2.6.

Might be something to do with the eye-candy, might be
something to do with 2.6 suddenly using an awful lot of
RAM.

Sincerely, Richmond
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Re: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .

Jon-3
While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no speed
problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is going on.

:)

Jon


Mathewson wrote:

>Well,
>
>I read something a bit odd
>by a chap called Jon on the Rev use-list about
>supposed bugs in the 2.6 documentation.
>
>And, being the sort that finds it awfully difficult to keep
>my mouth shut (no, surely not?) I thought I would bung in
>my few cents worth:
>
>Being the proud, new owner of DreamCard 2.6, I find myself
>returning repeatedly to RR 2.0.1 to consult the Transcript
>Dictionary - Why ??? - because, in my experience it is
>considerably SIMPLER and MORE RESPONSIVE than the HELP
>system in 2.6 which, I feel, suffers from a type of FEATURE
>BLOAT.
>
>Maybe, the HELP system in 2.6 needs to be 'chopped up' into
>lots of interconnected substacks that will not slow things
>down so drastically.
>
>My development machine is a G4 Mac (dual 1.27 GHz, 1 GB
>RAM), so not quite as slow as some computers - but when I
>open HELP in DC 2.6 everything grinds to a halt.
>
>So, ran RR 2.0.1 in the background until I worked out how
>to extract the Transcript dictionary and import it into the
>RevTools stack of my DC 2.6 --- not totally satisfactory,
>but it will do at the moment.
>
>Certainly, the Transcript Dictionary (and other parts of
>the RR 2 help system) work lika a charm compared to 2.6.
>
>Might be something to do with the eye-candy, might be
>something to do with 2.6 suddenly using an awful lot of
>RAM.
>
>Sincerely, Richmond
>__________________________________________________
>See Mathewson's software at:
>
>http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html
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Re: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .

mwieder
Jon-

Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:03:18 AM, you wrote:

J> While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no speed
J> problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is going on.

Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.

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Re: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .

Charles Hartman

On Jul 10, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jon-
>
> Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:03:18 AM, you wrote:
>
> J> While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no  
> speed
> J> problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is  
> going on.
>
> Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
> ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.

-- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes 17  
to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else  
stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)

Charles Hartman


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Re: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .

Eric Chatonet
Hi Charles,

You are right.
In my last plugin (not yet released) where there are links allowing  
to open the docs at the right place I struggled with links pointing  
at the topics section and found it was a revDocs problem and not mine...
I think that runRev guys know that and will fix it in a next Rev  
version.
But it's complicated: it's a problem which requires to take a new  
look at the Docs tree view architecture.

Le 10 juil. 05 à 18:29, Charles Hartman a écrit :

>> Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
>> ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.
>
> -- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes  
> 17 to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else  
> stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)

Best Regards from Paris,

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Re: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .

Dan Shafer
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NOw that's what I call a Bugly -- ugly bug.

Want a real thrill? After you click on that link and before it  
displays anything, click on another topic. In a little while -- about  
the time it takes to boil a hot dog -- the entire doc screen goes  
blank metal and stares at you.

BTW, it takes as long to collapse as it does to expand. Clearly a bugly.


On Jul 10, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:

>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>
>> Jon-
>>
>> Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:03:18 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> J> While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no  
>> speed
>> J> problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is  
>> going on.
>>
>> Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
>> ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.
>>
>
> -- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes  
> 17 to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else  
> stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)
>
> Charles Hartman
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Re: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .

Eric Chatonet
Hi Dan,

In fact there are 2 problems:

1. The very very slow tree view architecture in the topics section:  
it's a revDocs problem.
2. A problem with metal appearance: it's a specific Mac OS problem.

Once I said that...

Le 10 juil. 05 à 19:02, Dan Shafer a écrit :

> NOw that's what I call a Bugly -- ugly bug.
>
> Want a real thrill? After you click on that link and before it  
> displays anything, click on another topic. In a little while --  
> about the time it takes to boil a hot dog -- the entire doc screen  
> goes blank metal and stares at you.
>
> BTW, it takes as long to collapse as it does to expand. Clearly a  
> bugly.


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Re: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .

Jon-3
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2 seconds on my Windows PC.  Go figure...

Dan Shafer wrote:

> NOw that's what I call a Bugly -- ugly bug.
>
> Want a real thrill? After you click on that link and before it  
> displays anything, click on another topic. In a little while -- about  
> the time it takes to boil a hot dog -- the entire doc screen goes  
> blank metal and stares at you.
>
> BTW, it takes as long to collapse as it does to expand. Clearly a bugly.
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jon-
>>>
>>> Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:03:18 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> J> While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no  
>>> speed
>>> J> problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is  
>>> going on.
>>>
>>> Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
>>> ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.
>>>
>>
>> -- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes  17
>> to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else  
>> stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)
>>
>> Charles Hartman
>>
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Re: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .

mwieder
Jon-

Sunday, July 10, 2005, 3:49:50 PM, you wrote:

J> 2 seconds on my Windows PC.  Go figure...

I clicked on "Containers, variables and sources of value".
Then immediately clicked on "Commands and functions".

11 seconds to open them on my 500MHz win2k box.

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