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Re: Dreamcard, am I missing something?

Richard Gaskin
Dan Shafer wrote:
 > On Jun 10, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
 >> Yes, but it shouldn't oughta have to come down to that.  I dislike
 >> intervening screens when I open my stacks, or any program, for that
 >> matter.  It's just not polite behavior to jump into the middle of
 >> things without being invited
 >
 > Then  you should buy the full version of Revolution so you can create
 > standalone applications for which there are NO splash screen or other
 > attribution requirements.
 >
 > One of the differences between Dreamcard and Revolution is precisely
 > this ability.

If I read Mark's original post (and I could just as well have misread
it;apologies if I did), the splash screen in DC's player isn't the
problem.  If I understood the complaint correctly the problem is that
even if you launch the player by double-clicking a document, the player
doesn't recognize how it was launched and presents a GetFile dialog
anyway.

If confirmed I would consider that a bug; launching apps by
double-clicking documents is such a pervasive convention that I can't
imagine not being able to do that is what RunRev intended.

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Re: Dreamcard, am I missing something?

Dan Shafer
That may well be the case, but not on the system I was able to test on.


On Jun 10, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> If I understood the complaint correctly the problem is that even if  
> you launch the player by double-clicking a document, the player  
> doesn't recognize how it was launched and presents a GetFile dialog  
> anyway.
>



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Re: Dreamcard, am I missing something?

Richard Gaskin
Dan Shafer wrote:
 > On Jun 10, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> If I understood the complaint correctly the problem is that even if
 >> you launch the player by double-clicking a document, the player
 >> doesn't recognize how it was launched and presents a GetFile dialog
 >> anyway.
 >>
 > That may well be the case, but not on the system I was able to
 > test on.

I didn't get the GetFile dialog either, but I did find some strangeness:

I have a PC here with a freshly-formatted disk (is that a redundancy?
<g>), and no Rev or MC installation has yet touched it.  Totally virgin.

I went to RunRev.com and downloaded the player, installed it.  So far so
good, except that when it was done I had the "Launch Application"
checkbox set yet it didn't launch the application.

So I went to Start->All Programs->Revolution DreamCard Player to launch
it. It launched okay.  Having confirmed the installation was good, I quit.

I copied a simple one-card stack I use for testing onto the PC and
double-clicked it.  Although the file's extension is ".rev", instead of
launching the Rev player I got a Win dialog letting me know that it
doesn't know what the heck the file is and how do I want to deal with
finding a program for it.  Curious.

I chose the option to select from a list of programs, but the Rev player
wasn't listed among them.

I found I was able to drop the test stack file onto the Player app to
launch it, and that worked okay (though we can't expect any normal Win
user to ever do such a thing).

But I also found (as Andre has complained) that I can also drop ANY file
onto the player and it will accept the drop.

Something's definitely not right with the registry settings the
installer uses.  I don't have the time right now to poke around in
RegEdit, but hopefully RunRev will and fix the installer.

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Re: Dreamcard, am I missing something?

Richard Gaskin

FWIW, this is now BZ#2895
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2895>

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Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>  > On Jun 10, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>  >> If I understood the complaint correctly the problem is that even if
>  >> you launch the player by double-clicking a document, the player
>  >> doesn't recognize how it was launched and presents a GetFile dialog
>  >> anyway.
>  >>
>  > That may well be the case, but not on the system I was able to
>  > test on.
>
> I didn't get the GetFile dialog either, but I did find some strangeness:
>
> I have a PC here with a freshly-formatted disk (is that a redundancy?
> <g>), and no Rev or MC installation has yet touched it.  Totally virgin.
>
> I went to RunRev.com and downloaded the player, installed it.  So far so
> good, except that when it was done I had the "Launch Application"
> checkbox set yet it didn't launch the application.
>
> So I went to Start->All Programs->Revolution DreamCard Player to launch
> it. It launched okay.  Having confirmed the installation was good, I quit.
>
> I copied a simple one-card stack I use for testing onto the PC and
> double-clicked it.  Although the file's extension is ".rev", instead of
> launching the Rev player I got a Win dialog letting me know that it
> doesn't know what the heck the file is and how do I want to deal with
> finding a program for it.  Curious.
>
> I chose the option to select from a list of programs, but the Rev player
> wasn't listed among them.
>
> I found I was able to drop the test stack file onto the Player app to
> launch it, and that worked okay (though we can't expect any normal Win
> user to ever do such a thing).
>
> But I also found (as Andre has complained) that I can also drop ANY file
> onto the player and it will accept the drop.
>
> Something's definitely not right with the registry settings the
> installer uses.  I don't have the time right now to poke around in
> RegEdit, but hopefully RunRev will and fix the installer.
>
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Re: Dreamcard, am I missing something?

Alex Tweedly
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Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> If confirmed I would consider that a bug; launching apps by
> double-clicking documents is such a pervasive convention that I can't
> imagine not being able to do that is what RunRev intended.
>
>
I created BZ 2138 to complain about this problem on Windows.  That was 9
months ago, and it remains"Unconfirmed".

So I guess it's not important to RunRev ....


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Re: Dreamcard, am I missing something?

Richard Gaskin
Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> If confirmed I would consider that a bug; launching apps by
>> double-clicking documents is such a pervasive convention that I can't
>> imagine not being able to do that is what RunRev intended.
>
> I created BZ 2138 to complain about this problem on Windows.  That was 9
> months ago, and it remains"Unconfirmed".

Thanks for that.  I've since added a note about the duplication to my
report referring to your:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2895>

> So I guess it's not important to RunRev ....

It may be a question of visibility, and hopefully the new activity with
those reports will grab their attention.

Given the strategic role for the Player in evangelizing the technology,
I would imagine it would warrant a priority once they pause and think
about the implications of this bug.

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Re: Dreamcard, am I missing something?

Alex Tweedly
Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> So I guess it's not important to RunRev ....
>
>
> It may be a question of visibility, and hopefully the new activity
> with those reports will grab their attention.
>
> Given the strategic role for the Player in evangelizing the
> technology, I would imagine it would warrant a priority once they
> pause and think about the implications of this bug.

I hope so.
I did discuss it (briefly) with Kevin at EuroRevCon back in November,
and gave him the BZ number and some more info (possibly including a demo
- not sure), so I don't think it just "slipped under the radar".

If they could just fix this, and one or other of 2596 or 2597 (Cannot
have two instances of DC Player at same time, Stacks interfere with each
other within a single instance of DC Player) then I'd be able to go back
to distributing my software via the Player. I did that (in spite of
2138, I just told the users to live with it :-) for a couple of months
before I ran into the 2596/7 issues.  I was a real fan of distributing
40K stacks instead of 2Mb standalones :-)

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Re: Dreamcard, am I missing something?

Peter T. Evensen
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There is no option to disable the Online Viewer in the DreamCard player,
since the Online Viewer is the only way to open a stack.  That is the crux
of my complaint.

If the player gave people a normal open file dialog, it would be
easier.  It took me a while to realize I had to hit the folder icon to open
a stack on the disk.  It would also be nice if you could double click a
.rev file on Windows and have it launch the player.  I think one problem
with this working is that the player on Windows isn't really just a
player.  It is a short cut that is run with "-player."

If you double click the Authorware runtime, it presents a get file dialog
asking what to run.  That would seem to be less confusing than the Online
Viewer.  Perhaps it could have a button on the Get File dialog that says
"Browse Online Stacks" if the user spaces online are a common way to
distribute Dreamcard stacks.

At 07:49 PM 6/10/2005, you wrote:

>The original question mentioned the Online Viewer launching.  I don't
>know about DreamCard, but it's probably the same as in Rev:  all you
>have to do is uncheck the Launch Rev Online box in the Preference
>panel and it's gone.  Soooooo... it isn't a problem.
>
>Mark
>
>On Jun 10, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>>Then  you should buy the full version of Revolution so you can
>>create standalone applications for which there are NO splash screen
>>or other attribution requirements.
>>
>>One of the differences between Dreamcard and Revolution is
>>precisely this ability. I'm hard pressed to see how you have a
>>legitimate complaint here when the ability to solve it once and for
>>all is available. RunRev make Dreamcard available as an option for
>>those who don't want to purchase a full Revolution license; if they
>>made the two products identical, they'd have to charge the same for
>>them.
>>
>>Or am i missing something really obvious here?
>>On Jun 10, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yes, but it shouldn't oughta have to come down to that.  I dislike
>>>intervening screens when I open my stacks, or any program, for
>>>that matter.  It's just not polite behavior to jump into the
>>>middle of things without being invited
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