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Derek Bump-2
I just tried searching Bugzilla for anything related to an enhancement
request for a Web Browser Plugin that would allow Revolution Projects to
be viewed within Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox and any other
browser out there.  Sadly, I didn't see anything.

Has anyone requested this type of enhancement before?  If not, is this
something to request, or is there some genius programmer out there
already working on something like this?

Derek Bump
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RE: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

MisterX
offlist...

this has been requested since years (at least 5) continually.

unfortunately it's been ignored or put-off or you will get a marketing
lesson from those who think they know better in the mailist...

cheers
Xavier

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> Derek Bump
> Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 03:54
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
>
> I just tried searching Bugzilla for anything related to an
> enhancement request for a Web Browser Plugin that would allow
> Revolution Projects to be viewed within Internet Explorer,
> Safari, Firefox and any other browser out there.  Sadly, I
> didn't see anything.
>
> Has anyone requested this type of enhancement before?  If
> not, is this something to request, or is there some genius
> programmer out there already working on something like this?
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
>
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

William Marriott
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By all means enter this feature request into the system and let us know the
link so we can "vote" for it. It's been discussed on the list before with
great passion, but I don't think it's made its way into BugZilla, and I
don't think anyone's working on it as a 3rd-party product.

"Derek Bump" <[hidden email]> wrote
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>I just tried searching Bugzilla for anything related to an enhancement
>request for a Web Browser Plugin that would allow Revolution Projects to be
>viewed within Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox and any other browser out
>there.  Sadly, I didn't see anything.
>
> Has anyone requested this type of enhancement before?  If not, is this
> something to request, or is there some genius programmer out there already
> working on something like this?



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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Derek Bump-2
Alright, I added the Enhancement Request #3940.  Just don't mock me over
my amazingly poor writing skills.  I'd like to put "Because it would be
really cool!", but I felt I had to justify the request.

So, if you want a Browser Control, then vote for bug 3940, and add your
own two cents if you feel like it:

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3940


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Bill Marriott wrote:

> By all means enter this feature request into the system and let us know the
> link so we can "vote" for it. It's been discussed on the list before with
> great passion, but I don't think it's made its way into BugZilla, and I
> don't think anyone's working on it as a 3rd-party product.
>
> "Derek Bump" <[hidden email]> wrote
> in message news:[hidden email]...
>> I just tried searching Bugzilla for anything related to an enhancement
>> request for a Web Browser Plugin that would allow Revolution Projects to be
>> viewed within Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox and any other browser out
>> there.  Sadly, I didn't see anything.
>>
>> Has anyone requested this type of enhancement before?  If not, is this
>> something to request, or is there some genius programmer out there already
>> working on something like this?
>
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RE: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

MisterX
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Ouch, what did I said at 4 AM waking up?!

I wrote a huge response for 2 hours... positive but giving away too many
hints...

Lets rewrite clearer... sorry for the offensive words this morning to the
better knowing...

What I mean is that you can use rev on the web but via cgi.

You can't manipulate stack parts, but then there's a bigger DOM world out
there for the taking... I haven't tried ajax with the cgi though... don't
know if it will handle the threads either - BUT with svg graphics, ajax
techniques something IS definitely possible! ;)

Using Apache is probably easier and more efficient though ;)

Rev in a web page makes and doesn't make sense, though... For one, rev an an
application maker, makes it too easy compared to the hastle of making web
pages!

And take the browser's added weight/distraction away too! And it's faster in
response time too. Alas, Rev is not as standard looking as the browser
(starting but there's a big detail missing... it doesn't have the text
publishing and DOM support.

Using rev to make web plugin applications would be awesome! Easy! Yet it
wouldn't support DOM. HTML either wouldn't be supported correctly via
clipboard, and the buttons wouldn't be as awkward looking sometimes...

http://www.google.com/ig is possible though... surely...

Rev in a Web in a plugin?

Unlike Acrobat you can't really do text formating without QuarkXpress-like
layouts in rev (watchout for text overflow...). Actually you can't make a
simple "wordpad" emulator. You can't have different alignments per
paragraph! Actually you can...

Unlike real html, you can't do pretty tables in rev easily either... Yes,
there's workarounds, but then the effort required is multiplied a lot (like
per column field)! And if you need to change the fixedlineheight to
non-fixed, you loose the hgrids, scrolling and selecting becomes a chore in
screen updates too...

I wrote for three hours about this because this is a can of worms! And I've
gone through it not just once... so maybe a rev plugin for graphics would be
cool but... im not sure it's going to be compatible or as good looking as
the web parts around it...

And I learned quite a bit from it! Mostly that you use the web for remote
work. Firewalls can be a blocker for compiled apps using ports for example
or you can't run any downloaded exe in some corporate networks/computer
builds sometimes. But compiled apps are much faster than any web based
system - no matter how fast your network! Ajax resolves this a bit... It
sure makes the web closer to runrev in appearance but it's still far (light
years) from being as easy as making apps in rev.

Problem is that web development goes faster than light... The good thing is
that rev can serve up any web page anytime you ask it... just point your
browser to 127.0.0.1 to any port 80 socket waiting stack! What it replies is
just a question of what you throw at it from rev!

Thanks to Chipp, there's a solution to that text formating issue with
alignments for your stacks. making html tables and dropping them into an
altbrowser fields should be easy!

twas my 2 cents in 3 hours :)

A thousand excuses for the offlist-intended rudeness intended for those who
tend to say no and add personal opinions or noise to signal. I wanted to say
something fair and concrete to not disfavor neither rev's achievements and
it's users needs.

Certainly web delivery of your stack would be cool! We can't deny the fact
and lack of feature...

Good morning Europe
Xavier



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of MisterX
> Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 04:26
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: RE: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
>
> offlist...
>
> this has been requested since years (at least 5) continually.
>
> unfortunately it's been ignored or put-off or you will get a
> marketing lesson from those who think they know better in the
> mailist...
>
> cheers
> Xavier
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Derek
> > Bump
> > Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 03:54
> > To: How to use Revolution
> > Subject: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
> >
> > I just tried searching Bugzilla for anything related to an
> enhancement
> > request for a Web Browser Plugin that would allow
> Revolution Projects
> > to be viewed within Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox and
> any other
> > browser out there.  Sadly, I didn't see anything.
> >
> > Has anyone requested this type of enhancement before?  If
> not, is this
> > something to request, or is there some genius programmer out there
> > already working on something like this?
> >
> > Derek Bump
> > Dreamscape Software
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
> > Compress photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress!
> > http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
> >
> >
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RE: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

viktoras d.
Revolution applets, with possibility to communicate with web page via
javascript or revscript on a web page would be a very handy solution to
deliver java-like applets without all the complexity and overheads of java
language. I vote for this.
 
Best
Viktoras
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Luis-24
Well, from a while ago the XML nature of the Cards was bandied about.
I would have through these could be parsed and the appropriate 'web
equivalent' controls then written to an HTML file, precluding the need
for a plugin.
A running Rev instance could do this to itself, saving off the contents
of the Card view. Stuff like buttons should be ok as long as they are
'web safe' images, then there's SVG too.

Interaction would need cgi processing for the data to be sent back to
the running app, or dealing with it within a Rev Web Server:
http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/RevOnRockets

The only problem is the embedded binary data: Are there docs that detail
its structure?

Cheers,

Luis.



Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

> Revolution applets, with possibility to communicate with web page via
> javascript or revscript on a web page would be a very handy solution to
> deliver java-like applets without all the complexity and overheads of java
> language. I vote for this.
>  
> Best
> Viktoras
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Derek Bump-2
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Xavier,

I appreciate your two cents.  I understand that there are both strengths
and weaknesses to making Revolution Projects available within a web
browser.  At the same time I also see the very same strengths and
weaknesses with other technologies out there that are very much in use
today.

Take JAVA for example.  The idea is exactly the same as Revolution when
I think of JAVA, except for my opinion that it is easier to create
applications in Revolution than it is in JAVA.  Additionally, I feel
that JAVA is very slow when compared to other technologies out there.

In the end, the "can of worms" is what is needed to push things forward.
   I see the push towards U3 as a sign of that.  I think the folks at
RunRev are looking for ways to branch out.  U3 allows them to offer up
yet another "platform".  I just see making Revolution browser compatible
the next step in the evolution of the program.

In the end it's RunRev's decision as to whether or not they will
consider my enhancement request.  If they don't, I'll think of something
else I want.  If they do... well, who knows! :)


Derek Bump
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MisterX wrote:

> Ouch, what did I said at 4 AM waking up?!
>
> I wrote a huge response for 2 hours... positive but giving away too many
> hints...
>
> Lets rewrite clearer... sorry for the offensive words this morning to the
> better knowing...
>
> What I mean is that you can use rev on the web but via cgi.
>
> You can't manipulate stack parts, but then there's a bigger DOM world out
> there for the taking... I haven't tried ajax with the cgi though... don't
> know if it will handle the threads either - BUT with svg graphics, ajax
> techniques something IS definitely possible! ;)
>
> Using Apache is probably easier and more efficient though ;)
>
> Rev in a web page makes and doesn't make sense, though... For one, rev an an
> application maker, makes it too easy compared to the hastle of making web
> pages!
>
> And take the browser's added weight/distraction away too! And it's faster in
> response time too. Alas, Rev is not as standard looking as the browser
> (starting but there's a big detail missing... it doesn't have the text
> publishing and DOM support.
>
> Using rev to make web plugin applications would be awesome! Easy! Yet it
> wouldn't support DOM. HTML either wouldn't be supported correctly via
> clipboard, and the buttons wouldn't be as awkward looking sometimes...
>
> http://www.google.com/ig is possible though... surely...
>
> Rev in a Web in a plugin?
>
> Unlike Acrobat you can't really do text formating without QuarkXpress-like
> layouts in rev (watchout for text overflow...). Actually you can't make a
> simple "wordpad" emulator. You can't have different alignments per
> paragraph! Actually you can...
>
> Unlike real html, you can't do pretty tables in rev easily either... Yes,
> there's workarounds, but then the effort required is multiplied a lot (like
> per column field)! And if you need to change the fixedlineheight to
> non-fixed, you loose the hgrids, scrolling and selecting becomes a chore in
> screen updates too...
>
> I wrote for three hours about this because this is a can of worms! And I've
> gone through it not just once... so maybe a rev plugin for graphics would be
> cool but... im not sure it's going to be compatible or as good looking as
> the web parts around it...
>
> And I learned quite a bit from it! Mostly that you use the web for remote
> work. Firewalls can be a blocker for compiled apps using ports for example
> or you can't run any downloaded exe in some corporate networks/computer
> builds sometimes. But compiled apps are much faster than any web based
> system - no matter how fast your network! Ajax resolves this a bit... It
> sure makes the web closer to runrev in appearance but it's still far (light
> years) from being as easy as making apps in rev.
>
> Problem is that web development goes faster than light... The good thing is
> that rev can serve up any web page anytime you ask it... just point your
> browser to 127.0.0.1 to any port 80 socket waiting stack! What it replies is
> just a question of what you throw at it from rev!
>
> Thanks to Chipp, there's a solution to that text formating issue with
> alignments for your stacks. making html tables and dropping them into an
> altbrowser fields should be easy!
>
> twas my 2 cents in 3 hours :)
>
> A thousand excuses for the offlist-intended rudeness intended for those who
> tend to say no and add personal opinions or noise to signal. I wanted to say
> something fair and concrete to not disfavor neither rev's achievements and
> it's users needs.
>
> Certainly web delivery of your stack would be cool! We can't deny the fact
> and lack of feature...
>
> Good morning Europe
> Xavier
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of MisterX
>> Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 04:26
>> To: 'How to use Revolution'
>> Subject: RE: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
>>
>> offlist...
>>
>> this has been requested since years (at least 5) continually.
>>
>> unfortunately it's been ignored or put-off or you will get a
>> marketing lesson from those who think they know better in the
>> mailist...
>>
>> cheers
>> Xavier
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Derek
>>> Bump
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 03:54
>>> To: How to use Revolution
>>> Subject: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
>>>
>>> I just tried searching Bugzilla for anything related to an
>> enhancement
>>> request for a Web Browser Plugin that would allow
>> Revolution Projects
>>> to be viewed within Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox and
>> any other
>>> browser out there.  Sadly, I didn't see anything.
>>>
>>> Has anyone requested this type of enhancement before?  If
>> not, is this
>>> something to request, or is there some genius programmer out there
>>> already working on something like this?
>>>
>>> Derek Bump
>>> Dreamscape Software
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________________
>>> Compress photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress!
>>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
>>>
>>>
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Andre Garzia
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Luis and friends,

well, this topic has been touched before. Many times. :-)

I'll touch simple things first, the stacks and cards metaphor of  
Revolution can be presented in a XML format, but anyway, anything can  
be represented in XML format. XML cannot contain binary data, this is  
a violation of the spec. You binary data must be encoded with base64  
or some other encoding. Not all browsers support SVG also.

My systems as seen in http://www.andregarzia.com are not ready, and  
they are targeted at developing web applications with a HTML  
interface and web services using REST and XML-RPC.

As for the eternal struggle of those in favor of a web plugin, let us  
think one thing first. Web plugins are not magical, people still have  
to download and install the plugin, this is not automatical. The  
plugin would at least weight as much as the engine, so it is actually  
the same thing as downloading a Revolution stack player. Plugins must  
be built not only for each browser because each uses a different  
interface but also for each platform. I don't think a browser plugin  
is a wise idea, there's not enough resources to mantain it. I think  
there are only two ways to go:

        1) Use thin clients. Many enterprizes are moving away from the  
browser. The browser is dumb and you spend a lot more time dealing  
with its shortcomings than coding your own solution. I advise people  
to read the "beyond the browser" article by Richard Gaskin.
        2) In case you really need the browser, use XHTML + Ajax techniques.  
This needs not a plugin, you can just code it server side with Rev  
and client side with Javascript.

A thing that could be done is to make the engine output java  
bytecode, this would allow a stack to be run inside JVM which would  
bring it to the browser arena, but again, this would involve  
rewritting the whole engine and debugging the new engine and also the  
JVM, again, there's no resource for that I think, it's RunRev not  
Microsoft.

Andre




On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Luis wrote:

> Well, from a while ago the XML nature of the Cards was bandied about.
> I would have through these could be parsed and the appropriate 'web  
> equivalent' controls then written to an HTML file, precluding the  
> need for a plugin.
> A running Rev instance could do this to itself, saving off the  
> contents of the Card view. Stuff like buttons should be ok as long  
> as they are 'web safe' images, then there's SVG too.
>
> Interaction would need cgi processing for the data to be sent back  
> to the running app, or dealing with it within a Rev Web Server:  
> http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/RevOnRockets
>
> The only problem is the embedded binary data: Are there docs that  
> detail its structure?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
>
> Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
>> Revolution applets, with possibility to communicate with web page via
>> javascript or revscript on a web page would be a very handy  
>> solution to
>> deliver java-like applets without all the complexity and overheads  
>> of java
>> language. I vote for this.  Best Viktoras
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Luis-24
Hiya Mr Rev Server maker,

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Luis and friends,
>
> well, this topic has been touched before. Many times. :-)

I suppose that indicates it's need... ;)

>
> I'll touch simple things first, the stacks and cards metaphor of
> Revolution can be presented in a XML format, but anyway, anything can be
> represented in XML format. XML cannot contain binary data, this is a
> violation of the spec. You binary data must be encoded with base64 or
> some other encoding. Not all browsers support SVG also.

XML being pretty much 'freeform' when it comes to tags, the spec could
easily be tailored for internal use, such as enclosing binary data. For
internal use this doesn't seem bad to me: You see something good and you
make it work for your situation.
Now, it 'appears' to be binary data (I believe someone indicated this
also) but it could be anything else encoded in there.

True, not all browsers support SVG, but there are plugins available.

>
> My systems as seen in http://www.andregarzia.com are not ready, and they
> are targeted at developing web applications with a HTML interface and
> web services using REST and XML-RPC.
>
> As for the eternal struggle of those in favor of a web plugin, let us
> think one thing first. Web plugins are not magical, people still have to
> download and install the plugin, this is not automatical. The plugin
> would at least weight as much as the engine, so it is actually the same
> thing as downloading a Revolution stack player. Plugins must be built
> not only for each browser because each uses a different interface but
> also for each platform. I don't think a browser plugin is a wise idea,
> there's not enough resources to mantain it. I think there are only two
> ways to go:
>
>     1) Use thin clients. Many enterprizes are moving away from the
> browser. The browser is dumb and you spend a lot more time dealing with
> its shortcomings than coding your own solution. I advise people to read
> the "beyond the browser" article by Richard Gaskin.
>     2) In case you really need the browser, use XHTML + Ajax techniques.
> This needs not a plugin, you can just code it server side with Rev and
> client side with Javascript.

Yep, I prefer thin clients, but flexibility of choice is what I'm
thinking of. You still have to download a thin client!
The ability to do this within Rev, having a Rev card as a 'web page'
would be a neat trick, and might answer a few needs.

>
> A thing that could be done is to make the engine output java bytecode,
> this would allow a stack to be run inside JVM which would bring it to
> the browser arena, but again, this would involve rewritting the whole
> engine and debugging the new engine and also the JVM, again, there's no
> resource for that I think, it's RunRev not Microsoft.

Yeah, that would be a task and a half! Mind you, I'm curious as to what
approach to the VM, if it is a VM, RunRev uses.

Cheers,

Luis.


>
> Andre
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Luis wrote:
>
>> Well, from a while ago the XML nature of the Cards was bandied about.
>> I would have through these could be parsed and the appropriate 'web
>> equivalent' controls then written to an HTML file, precluding the need
>> for a plugin.
>> A running Rev instance could do this to itself, saving off the
>> contents of the Card view. Stuff like buttons should be ok as long as
>> they are 'web safe' images, then there's SVG too.
>>
>> Interaction would need cgi processing for the data to be sent back to
>> the running app, or dealing with it within a Rev Web Server:
>> http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/RevOnRockets
>>
>> The only problem is the embedded binary data: Are there docs that
>> detail its structure?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
>>
>> Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
>>> Revolution applets, with possibility to communicate with web page via
>>> javascript or revscript on a web page would be a very handy solution to
>>> deliver java-like applets without all the complexity and overheads of
>>> java
>>> language. I vote for this.  Best Viktoras
>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

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Luis wrote:
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> well, this topic has been touched before. Many times. :-)
>
> I suppose that indicates it's need... ;)

What people want is not always what they need. :)

The attraction of a browser plugin is ubiquity -- all you'd need is a
URL and you can deliver to goods. Or see it seems at first glance.

In practice, of course this would mean locating, downloading, and
installing yet another plugin, in a world where Flash is already
pre-installed.

At that point, authoring for a plugin other than Flash becomes about as
much of an issue for IT managers and end-users as locating, downloading,
and installing the Rev player or your own custom player, so much of the
primary benefit of ubiquity is lost in real-world deployment scenarios.

These snippets from previous discussions may be of interest:

Background on the nature and scope of the problem:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-July/084230.html>
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-July/084259.html>

Options for solutions:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-August/009590.html>
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083882.html>
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083891.html>

My personal fave, not yet built but could be at any time:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html>


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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Luis-24


Richard Gaskin wrote:

<kersnip>

>
> My personal fave, not yet built but could be at any time:
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html>
>

Mmmm, chocolate...

Getting OS developers to 'help' would be cool, but imagine if RunRev did
this, what a selling point! (Ok, another one...).

Cheers,

Luis.



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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

viktoras d.
let's hope somebody will do this within the next 5 years ;-). I wonder why
Rev attracted so few Open Source developers and people willing to share
their code. Collection of freely available and reusable Rev libraries
comparing with repositories of languages like Perl, Python or even
Javascript seems just a little bit above then the ground-zero. It is strange
 having in mind the fact that most of the code for Perl, Python and a large
portion of xhtml/javascript and the likes is written in text-only IDE's...
 
But if we'd focus on this fact, maybe possibility to write code in a notepad
(well, crimson editor and the likes ;-) ) is an advantage... Simply because
you can write it anywhere... Currently scripting in Rev from scratch is not
quite possible or is at least not documented/advertised well enough. May
this distract some OS coders who feel quite comfortable hand-coding their
logic.
 
Besides, keeping in mind current organization of stacks, fields, buttons,
other objects and scripts, Revolution is just a small step away from having
its own document object model. If one could describe programs in
xml/transcript like xhtml/javascript, then this "warm and well familiar"
development model would attract lots of [web] developers, because experience
would be "similar to something I already know". Potentially this could make
Revolution an alternative for web browsers, or even an industry-standard to
deliver web enabled applications, who knows... Three alternative ways of
coding: 1) WSIWYG - e.g. using Revolution IDE, 2) hand coding in Revscript
and 3) describing software in rxml/revscript/css would attract developers
with very diverse coding preferences. The 3-rd option would expose
Revolution to currently exploding realm of user interface markup languages
and thin-client application delivery tools like mozillas XUL, XAML, MXML,
UIML, I3ML, LZX, WasabiXML, GTK+, ONE for MS .NET, Microsoft HTA/HTC apps,
and others.
 
Initially this could seem in conflict with Runtimes' marketing strategy,
because availability of free text-based coding choices would allow thousands
of coders do their jobs without buying Revolution IDE. Still if one would
think again, once people start hand-coding and experience at least a subset
of capabilities of Rev engine, they would rush for Revolution IDE for
exactly the same reason why web developers do buy proprietary WYSIWYG html
builders and tools.
 
Just my 1 cent
Viktoras
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Luis
Date: 11/02/06 18:59:44
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
 
 
Richard Gaskin wrote:
 
<kersnip>
 
>
> My personal fave, not yet built but could be at any time:
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html>
>
 
Mmmm, chocolate...
 
Getting OS developers to 'help' would be cool, but imagine if RunRev did
this, what a selling point! (Ok, another one...).
 
Cheers,
 
Luis.
 
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

John Craig-2
Just a side comment - I had never heard of Rev and was pleasantly
surprised when I accidentally stumbled upon it.  It's the industry's
best kept sectret - ssshhhhhh!

Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
> let's hope somebody will do this within the next 5 years ;-). I wonder why
> Rev attracted so few Open Source developers and people willing to share
> their code

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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

viktoras d.
Well, when I stumbled upon it I had exactly the same feeling. Still feel it
and still wonder why ?..
 
Viktoras
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: John Craig
Date: 11/02/06 23:41:08
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
 
Just a side comment - I had never heard of Rev and was pleasantly
surprised when I accidentally stumbled upon it. It's the industry's
best kept sectret - ssshhhhhh!
 
Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
> let's hope somebody will do this within the next 5 years ;-). I wonder why

> Rev attracted so few Open Source developers and people willing to share
> their code
 
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Matthew-48
There is a program that i stumbled upon a while ago called mcripper (it was
made in metacard) and what you do is give it a stack and it generates xml
code that represents the stack.  You can also give it the generated xml code
and it will give you a stack. I tested it and the only problem that I found
is when you have a stack saved with colorized script it got the html code
that went with the colors. I believe that it could be fixed by puting the
script into the htmltext of a field and then putting the text of the field
into the script of the object but I have not tried it.

I hope that was of a little help.

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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Luis-24
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That '1 cent' just went up in value in my books!

Cheers,

Luis.


Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

> let's hope somebody will do this within the next 5 years ;-). I wonder why
> Rev attracted so few Open Source developers and people willing to share
> their code. Collection of freely available and reusable Rev libraries
> comparing with repositories of languages like Perl, Python or even
> Javascript seems just a little bit above then the ground-zero. It is strange
>  having in mind the fact that most of the code for Perl, Python and a large
> portion of xhtml/javascript and the likes is written in text-only IDE's...
>  
> But if we'd focus on this fact, maybe possibility to write code in a notepad
> (well, crimson editor and the likes ;-) ) is an advantage... Simply because
> you can write it anywhere... Currently scripting in Rev from scratch is not
> quite possible or is at least not documented/advertised well enough. May
> this distract some OS coders who feel quite comfortable hand-coding their
> logic.
>  
> Besides, keeping in mind current organization of stacks, fields, buttons,
> other objects and scripts, Revolution is just a small step away from having
> its own document object model. If one could describe programs in
> xml/transcript like xhtml/javascript, then this "warm and well familiar"
> development model would attract lots of [web] developers, because experience
> would be "similar to something I already know". Potentially this could make
> Revolution an alternative for web browsers, or even an industry-standard to
> deliver web enabled applications, who knows... Three alternative ways of
> coding: 1) WSIWYG - e.g. using Revolution IDE, 2) hand coding in Revscript
> and 3) describing software in rxml/revscript/css would attract developers
> with very diverse coding preferences. The 3-rd option would expose
> Revolution to currently exploding realm of user interface markup languages
> and thin-client application delivery tools like mozillas XUL, XAML, MXML,
> UIML, I3ML, LZX, WasabiXML, GTK+, ONE for MS .NET, Microsoft HTA/HTC apps,
> and others.
>  
> Initially this could seem in conflict with Runtimes' marketing strategy,
> because availability of free text-based coding choices would allow thousands
> of coders do their jobs without buying Revolution IDE. Still if one would
> think again, once people start hand-coding and experience at least a subset
> of capabilities of Rev engine, they would rush for Revolution IDE for
> exactly the same reason why web developers do buy proprietary WYSIWYG html
> builders and tools.
>  
> Just my 1 cent
> Viktoras
>  
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: Luis
> Date: 11/02/06 18:59:44
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
>  
>  
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>  
> <kersnip>
>  
>> My personal fave, not yet built but could be at any time:
>> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html>
>>
>  
> Mmmm, chocolate...
>  
> Getting OS developers to 'help' would be cool, but imagine if RunRev did
> this, what a selling point! (Ok, another one...).
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Luis.
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Derek Bump-2
Like I said before, if you'd like to see the development of a Revolution
Plugin or ActiveX object for Web Browsers then get on BugZilla or
STSRevZilla and vote for Bug #3940.

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3940


Thanks to all those who have voted already!


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