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Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

Howdy Folks,

I will file a quality report very soon, but wanted to ask what others
are experiencing too.

Using LC 9.0.0 and 9.0.1, on a Windows "PC" laptop with Core i3 or Core
i5, the script editor is painfully slow unless many of the auto
formatting and coloring features are turned off.

(I only have  "Control Structured Completion" and "Auto Format" still
enabled; they handle things like "end repeat" and lining up the text
with tabs.)

But even then, script editing is still laggy, especially on 9.0.1.
Hitting Enter or backspace, paste or copy, or hiliting some text - any
of these can lead to a delay.

And worse, not only a delay, but also interfering with intended
keystrokes and actions. If you select some text, copy, select, paste -
you may not get the expected result if you performed those steps too
quickly!

(But "too quickly" doesn't mean fast - even doing things slowly is often
too quickly in 9.0.1. After one step you have to be careful to see the
insertion cursor blink before doing the next step. Not the most
enjoyable way to sling code.)

So, is it just a Windows issue, or more of a which-chip issue? My Mac
has Core i5 too, but I do more of my code typing on the PC.

I do think the LC team would be well-served to follow Richard's
suggestion of using a PC for several hours a week.

But should that PC be a Core i9 monster? Maybe not, unless the target
audience is exclusively the established economic upper class, which
would be a strange fit for the Community version for example. I think I
remember some talk about developing nations and so on - if so, needing a
Core i7 to run LC will probably slow down adoption. And myself included;
I need to stick with this chip for a while.

I would suggest having an i3 Windows PC and a slightly older Mac around
for official IDE and engine testing. Otherwise you're cranking out
releases with code that seems fine on your end, but will only run well
on the latest and most expensive machines.

It will help some when the LC 9 engine itself is faster, but the script
editor also needs optimizing. Maybe too much code added lately without
enough attention to speed. I am curious whether some Macs are affected
too. How about Linux i3/i5?

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Well, I have noticed a regression of the old Forgotten Breakpoint bug, where a soft breakpoint is set (red dot) and after editing and saving a script, the red dot remains but the engine does not break. Turning it off and on again fixes it until the next save.

Others have reported the script editor to be painfully slow on Windows. I hardly ever develop in Windows, but when I have I was taken aback on how slow it actually was.

Bob S


> On Sep 23, 2018, at 14:28 , Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Howdy Folks,
>
> I will file a quality report very soon, but wanted to ask what others are experiencing too.
>
> Using LC 9.0.0 and 9.0.1, on a Windows "PC" laptop with Core i3 or Core i5, the script editor is painfully slow unless many of the auto formatting and coloring features are turned off.


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Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

So having used it on two laptops, I conclude that LiveCode 901 Script
Editor is essentially broken on many Windows machines.

It's now unusable for real coding (with the built-in Script Editor) in
my experience. Not a very acceptable situation!

Bug report:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21604

Ironically, if the Script Editor code in question is LCS (or perhaps
LCB) I would be able to optimize the code myself easily enough, but at
the current time/situation I can't do so free of charge. Argh....

This needs to be fixed soon. With 80%+ of desktop market share, it's not
like Windows doesn't exist. A cross-platform IDE that only works well on
one platform, and just looks nice on the other but can't really be used,
isn't the same anymore. Surely LC must be losing out on many potential
LiveCoders too! And unnecessarily; easy to remedy with just a little
attention, true cross-platform mindset, and better IDE hardware  testing.

(LC 6 was great on Windows. LC 7 and 8 were fair. LC 9 has been getting
worse, and 901 has crossed the line into extremely problematic, at least
with the two laptops I've used, recent model Intel Core i3 and i5.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

Following up - just wanted to mention that this is a bit more complex.
Yesterday I was going to submit a screenshot of my system specs (and I
did) but found that my current recipe, tested during a problematic LC
session the day before, was not at all sufficient to trigger the issue
from scratch. Panos, thanks for confirming the same on your end.

That's a very good thing in one sense; perhaps this issue isn't going to
bite newbies on day one of using LC, and that helps the cause. However,
I certainly don't want to minimize it or make light of it to any degree;
the script editor slowdown is one heck of a show stopper when it does
strike (right when you're hard at work) and all the more insidious until
we know the conditions that trigger it.

Very likely we will know soon. It may take some days, but as I have time
I will hunt down the trigger and hopefully see whether it affects other
platforms and how much 901 SE performance differs from 900 or other
versions. I've seen the slowdown several times - big difference between
running the occasional LC test on a platform/chip and doing actual LC
work on it every day for hours! Enough that I had already started
developing a habit of avoiding 901 when I know I'll be typing a lot.

Now I will do just the opposite and use 901 for all possible code
editing to pin this thing down for a foolproof recipe, and then
hopefully it'll be history before long! Thanks.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Thank you for your efforts here, Curry! I’m trying to use LC 9 much more now that 9.0.1 is out. I’m running into a script editor slow down on Mac (High Sierra 10.13.6) fairly often.  Keystrokes lagging far behind and copy - paste keyboard shortcuts sporadically not working.  Restarting the IDE seems to fix it but I haven’t worked out a recipe. I’m glad you are trying to track it down!

Warmest regards,

Scott Morrow

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> On Sep 25, 2018, at 11:23 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Following up - just wanted to mention that this is a bit more complex. Yesterday I was going to submit a screenshot of my system specs (and I did) but found that my current recipe, tested during a problematic LC session the day before, was not at all sufficient to trigger the issue from scratch. Panos, thanks for confirming the same on your end.
>
> That's a very good thing in one sense; perhaps this issue isn't going to bite newbies on day one of using LC, and that helps the cause. However, I certainly don't want to minimize it or make light of it to any degree; the script editor slowdown is one heck of a show stopper when it does strike (right when you're hard at work) and all the more insidious until we know the conditions that trigger it.
>
> Very likely we will know soon. It may take some days, but as I have time I will hunt down the trigger and hopefully see whether it affects other platforms and how much 901 SE performance differs from 900 or other versions. I've seen the slowdown several times - big difference between running the occasional LC test on a platform/chip and doing actual LC work on it every day for hours! Enough that I had already started developing a habit of avoiding 901 when I know I'll be typing a lot.
>
> Now I will do just the opposite and use 901 for all possible code editing to pin this thing down for a foolproof recipe, and then hopefully it'll be history before long! Thanks.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
>
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Re: Script Editor Slow on Windows (any Macs?)

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
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As something to test. I've noticed that the script editor problems worsen
when either the project browser or message box have been opened, the longer
these are open the more the script editor ... in all of LC 9 series gets.

If I do not have the project browser open or use the message box then the
degradation in speed does not in my case materialize so quickly.

I have seen the same slowdown effect on a 64b Intel i5 4440 @ 3.10GHz with
8GB and a newish I7 620 2.66GHz 64b laptop with 16GB ram installed.

I have no plugins activated, in fact, I tried with the plugins folder
emptied.

It would appear that ide messages are hanging somewhere along line?



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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

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While i can confirm the slowness under Windows here, i cannot confirm this on Mac OS X (currently 10.13.5).
I am working daily with Livecode and do not see any slowdowns when working on my Mac.

Matthias


> Am 26.09.2018 um 08:37 schrieb scott--- via use-livecode <[hidden email]>:
>
> Thank you for your efforts here, Curry! I’m trying to use LC 9 much more now that 9.0.1 is out. I’m running into a script editor slow down on Mac (High Sierra 10.13.6) fairly often.  Keystrokes lagging far behind and copy - paste keyboard shortcuts sporadically not working.  Restarting the IDE seems to fix it but I haven’t worked out a recipe. I’m glad you are trying to track it down!
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
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> booth    1-800-615-0867
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 11:23 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Following up - just wanted to mention that this is a bit more complex. Yesterday I was going to submit a screenshot of my system specs (and I did) but found that my current recipe, tested during a problematic LC session the day before, was not at all sufficient to trigger the issue from scratch. Panos, thanks for confirming the same on your end.
>>
>> That's a very good thing in one sense; perhaps this issue isn't going to bite newbies on day one of using LC, and that helps the cause. However, I certainly don't want to minimize it or make light of it to any degree; the script editor slowdown is one heck of a show stopper when it does strike (right when you're hard at work) and all the more insidious until we know the conditions that trigger it.
>>
>> Very likely we will know soon. It may take some days, but as I have time I will hunt down the trigger and hopefully see whether it affects other platforms and how much 901 SE performance differs from 900 or other versions. I've seen the slowdown several times - big difference between running the occasional LC test on a platform/chip and doing actual LC work on it every day for hours! Enough that I had already started developing a habit of avoiding 901 when I know I'll be typing a lot.
>>
>> Now I will do just the opposite and use 901 for all possible code editing to pin this thing down for a foolproof recipe, and then hopefully it'll be history before long! Thanks.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>>
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>> LiveCode Training and Consulting
>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I've experienced this also a time or two since switching.  I will join the
effort to try to nail down the conditions that make the slowdown occur.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 6:00 AM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
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> While i can confirm the slowness under Windows here, i cannot confirm this
> on Mac OS X (currently 10.13.5).
> I am working daily with Livecode and do not see any slowdowns when working
> on my Mac.
>
> Matthias
>
>
> > Am 26.09.2018 um 08:37 schrieb scott--- via use-livecode <
> [hidden email]>:
> >
> > Thank you for your efforts here, Curry! I’m trying to use LC 9 much more
> now that 9.0.1 is out. I’m running into a script editor slow down on Mac
> (High Sierra 10.13.6) fairly often.  Keystrokes lagging far behind and copy
> - paste keyboard shortcuts sporadically not working.  Restarting the IDE
> seems to fix it but I haven’t worked out a recipe. I’m glad you are trying
> to track it down!
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> >
> > Scott Morrow
> >
> > Elementary Software
> > (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> > web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
> > email     [hidden email]
> > booth    1-800-615-0867
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >> On Sep 25, 2018, at 11:23 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Following up - just wanted to mention that this is a bit more complex.
> Yesterday I was going to submit a screenshot of my system specs (and I did)
> but found that my current recipe, tested during a problematic LC session
> the day before, was not at all sufficient to trigger the issue from
> scratch. Panos, thanks for confirming the same on your end.
> >>
> >> That's a very good thing in one sense; perhaps this issue isn't going
> to bite newbies on day one of using LC, and that helps the cause. However,
> I certainly don't want to minimize it or make light of it to any degree;
> the script editor slowdown is one heck of a show stopper when it does
> strike (right when you're hard at work) and all the more insidious until we
> know the conditions that trigger it.
> >>
> >> Very likely we will know soon. It may take some days, but as I have
> time I will hunt down the trigger and hopefully see whether it affects
> other platforms and how much 901 SE performance differs from 900 or other
> versions. I've seen the slowdown several times - big difference between
> running the occasional LC test on a platform/chip and doing actual LC work
> on it every day for hours! Enough that I had already started developing a
> habit of avoiding 901 when I know I'll be typing a lot.
> >>
> >> Now I will do just the opposite and use 901 for all possible code
> editing to pin this thing down for a foolproof recipe, and then hopefully
> it'll be history before long! Thanks.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Curry Kenworthy
> >>
> >> Custom Software Development
> >> "Better Methods, Better Results"
> >> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> >> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
> >>
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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

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On the topic of the SE acting up, I seem to have also produced the effect where scrolling is not updating the line numbers properly. Anyone havin slow script editor issues check to see that the line numbers are in sync. It may be related.

Bob S


> On Sep 26, 2018, at 09:17 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I've experienced this also a time or two since switching.  I will join the
> effort to try to nail down the conditions that make the slowdown occur.


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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I should mention I am still using 9.0.1 RC1 because a hotfix for nesting datagrid behaviors is in place and I need that. Not sure that fix is in place for the gold repo.

Bob S


> On Sep 26, 2018, at 09:49 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On the topic of the SE acting up, I seem to have also produced the effect where scrolling is not updating the line numbers properly. Anyone havin slow script editor issues check to see that the line numbers are in sync. It may be related.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 09:17 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I've experienced this also a time or two since switching.  I will join the
>> effort to try to nail down the conditions that make the slowdown occur.
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RE: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

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I've seen this. I have no recipe yet. It seems to be related to either
breakpoints or a break cause by bad code(setting property for a non-existent
control for example).

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On the topic of the SE acting up, I seem to have also produced the effect
where scrolling is not updating the line numbers properly. Anyone havin slow
script editor issues check to see that the line numbers are in sync. It may
be related.

Bob S


> On Sep 26, 2018, at 09:17 , Tom Glod via use-livecode
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> I've experienced this also a time or two since switching.  I will join
> the effort to try to nail down the conditions that make the slowdown
occur.


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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

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my guess it has to do with the "as you type" compiler.  vague memory has to
do with it finding errors in the script, but not handling them gracefully.

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> I've seen this. I have no recipe yet. It seems to be related to either
> breakpoints or a break cause by bad code(setting property for a
> non-existent
> control for example).
>
> Ralph DiMola
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> Subject: Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows
>
> On the topic of the SE acting up, I seem to have also produced the effect
> where scrolling is not updating the line numbers properly. Anyone havin
> slow
> script editor issues check to see that the line numbers are in sync. It may
> be related.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Sep 26, 2018, at 09:17 , Tom Glod via use-livecode
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I've experienced this also a time or two since switching.  I will join
> > the effort to try to nail down the conditions that make the slowdown
> occur.
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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

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I´ve seen this line number weirdness, too, but not just with 9.0.1. I´ve seen this in all LC 9 if i remember right. But now slowness.
Here it happens when debug mode is on and  breakpoints are set or if the script execution aborts due to an error, like Ralph wrote.
Closing and reopening the SE solves this.

Matthias

> Am 26.09.2018 um 19:12 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
> I've seen this. I have no recipe yet. It seems to be related to either
> breakpoints or a break cause by bad code(setting property for a non-existent
> control for example).
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
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> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:50 PM
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> Cc: Bob Sneidar
> Subject: Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows
>
> On the topic of the SE acting up, I seem to have also produced the effect
> where scrolling is not updating the line numbers properly. Anyone havin slow
> script editor issues check to see that the line numbers are in sync. It may
> be related.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 09:17 , Tom Glod via use-livecode
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I've experienced this also a time or two since switching.  I will join
>> the effort to try to nail down the conditions that make the slowdown
> occur.
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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I meant, but no slowness.

> Am 26.09.2018 um 20:00 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <[hidden email]>:
>
> I´ve seen this line number weirdness, too, but not just with 9.0.1. I´ve seen this in all LC 9 if i remember right. But now slowness.
> Here it happens when debug mode is on and  breakpoints are set or if the script execution aborts due to an error, like Ralph wrote.
> Closing and reopening the SE solves this.
>
> Matthias
>
>> Am 26.09.2018 um 19:12 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>>:
>>
>> I've seen this. I have no recipe yet. It seems to be related to either
>> breakpoints or a break cause by bad code(setting property for a non-existent
>> control for example).
>>
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>> On the topic of the SE acting up, I seem to have also produced the effect
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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

Thanks everyone! With all this info and so many people affected, we
should have a recipe pinned down soon. :)

Best wishes,

Curry K.

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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Folks,

I've been complaining about LC on Windows for ages to Brahmanathaswami and
occasionally on this list as well. I have a feeling that most people on HQ
must be using Macs because there is no way this is going unnoticed.

I have disabled all I could in terms of auto suggestion and other live
stuff from options menu and it is still slow. It is not only the editor
though, it is all of LC IDE. Typing stuff inside the message box is so
laggy that is unusable. Here, it takes seconds to catch up and I am a slow
types that uses basically only two fingers to type.

Dragging controls from the palettes, launching the inspectors. Everything
hangs all the time. Just today, I lost an hour of work because LC crashed
while I was accepting an script. Poof, the IDE went unresponsive and then I
had to close it. This happens all the time.

I don't have any plugins anymore. I've disabled everything. I don't have a
recipe either because it affects the whole IDE here.

My machine is pretty standard, it is a Surface Pro 4 with 8gb of RAM, 512
GB of HD and Windows 10 latest stuff. I almost miss my apple.

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> Thanks everyone! With all this info and so many people affected, we
> should have a recipe pinned down soon. :)
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> Best wishes,
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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Early on when LC was experiencing a CTD issue (this was around v6) I wrote code into my stacks that saved every time I closed a stack. I also save code incredibly frequently, sometimes every few line edits. I maintain local and offsite backups of what I do so I can revert, and I have a versioning local backup running automatically so I can recover a version earlier in the day, in case I completely bork my code, then save it.

Still, this is a pain and needs to be sussed out, but as you say, producing a reliable recipe is nearly impossible, because by the time you notice it, it's about to go nuclear.

Bob S


> On Oct 3, 2018, at 05:19 , Andre Garzia via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dragging controls from the palettes, launching the inspectors. Everything
> hangs all the time. Just today, I lost an hour of work because LC crashed
> while I was accepting an script. Poof, the IDE went unresponsive and then I
> had to close it. This happens all the time.


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RE: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
You may want to look at The LCStackBrowser Plugin. It has the ability to
save stacks automatically. I have used this for years now. There were some
problems recently when the LiveCode version went from 7 to 8 but the author
has fixed that.

Sincerely,

Clarence Martin
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Early on when LC was experiencing a CTD issue (this was around v6) I wrote
code into my stacks that saved every time I closed a stack. I also save code
incredibly frequently, sometimes every few line edits. I maintain local and
offsite backups of what I do so I can revert, and I have a versioning local
backup running automatically so I can recover a version earlier in the day,
in case I completely bork my code, then save it.

Still, this is a pain and needs to be sussed out, but as you say, producing
a reliable recipe is nearly impossible, because by the time you notice it,
it's about to go nuclear.

Bob S


> On Oct 3, 2018, at 05:19 , Andre Garzia via use-livecode
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> Dragging controls from the palettes, launching the inspectors.
> Everything hangs all the time. Just today, I lost an hour of work
> because LC crashed while I was accepting an script. Poof, the IDE went
> unresponsive and then I had to close it. This happens all the time.


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Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows

Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Clarence,

I wish I could but I am afraid of adding plugins and this becoming slow as
molasses. :-(

I just lost a little button on a card because I clicked another control,
pressed delete, but there is a lag in the IDE so it missed me switching
controls and deleted the wrong one. If I program really slowly (and I am a
slow coder already) then it mostly works...

best
andre

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 5:19 PM Clarence Martin via use-livecode <
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> You may want to look at The LCStackBrowser Plugin. It has the ability to
> save stacks automatically. I have used this for years now. There were some
> problems recently when the LiveCode version went from 7 to 8 but the author
> has fixed that.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Clarence Martin
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Bob
> Sneidar via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:50 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Bob Sneidar <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Script Editor Unusable on Windows
>
> Early on when LC was experiencing a CTD issue (this was around v6) I wrote
> code into my stacks that saved every time I closed a stack. I also save
> code
> incredibly frequently, sometimes every few line edits. I maintain local and
> offsite backups of what I do so I can revert, and I have a versioning local
> backup running automatically so I can recover a version earlier in the day,
> in case I completely bork my code, then save it.
>
> Still, this is a pain and needs to be sussed out, but as you say, producing
> a reliable recipe is nearly impossible, because by the time you notice it,
> it's about to go nuclear.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2018, at 05:19 , Andre Garzia via use-livecode
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Dragging controls from the palettes, launching the inspectors.
> > Everything hangs all the time. Just today, I lost an hour of work
> > because LC crashed while I was accepting an script. Poof, the IDE went
> > unresponsive and then I had to close it. This happens all the time.
>
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