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** Clarence P Martin ** via use-livecode
hi all.

I can get the controlnames of a card, but at first blush the list does not include button names. However it *does* list a great many numbers of 4 digits. So I tried looking up controlNames in the dictionary and there is no entry for it, at least not by using the find function.

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Re: controlNames deprecated??

** Clarence P Martin ** via use-livecode
Sorry, V8.1.5 OS X Sierra

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2017, at 10:52 , Bob Sneidar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> hi all.
>
> I can get the controlnames of a card, but at first blush the list does not include button names. However it *does* list a great many numbers of 4 digits. So I tried looking up controlNames in the dictionary and there is no entry for it, at least not by using the find function.
>
> Bob S
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Re: controlNames deprecated??

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On 7/28/17 12:52 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I can get the controlnames of a card, but at first blush the list does not include button names. However it*does*  list a great many numbers of 4 digits. So I tried looking up controlNames in the dictionary and there is no entry for it, at least not by using the find function.


I just tested this and it looks like the controlNames of a card only
return the names of controls whose parent is the card. Controls within a
group are listed by ID. I'm not sure if this is correct or not, I can
see the logic, but it would seem if the parent has to be the card then
controls within a group shouldn't be in the list at all.

My test card used a background group; it might be different for a card
group.

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Re: controlNames deprecated??

** Clarence P Martin ** via use-livecode
Hi Jacque,

Control names within a group can be obtained by:

"the childControlNames of group myGroup"

Best,
Panos
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On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 7:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> On 7/28/17 12:52 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I can get the controlnames of a card, but at first blush the list does
>> not include button names. However it*does*  list a great many numbers of 4
>> digits. So I tried looking up controlNames in the dictionary and there is
>> no entry for it, at least not by using the find function.
>>
>
>
> I just tested this and it looks like the controlNames of a card only
> return the names of controls whose parent is the card. Controls within a
> group are listed by ID. I'm not sure if this is correct or not, I can see
> the logic, but it would seem if the parent has to be the card then controls
> within a group shouldn't be in the list at all.
>
> My test card used a background group; it might be different for a card
> group.
>
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** Clarence P Martin ** via use-livecode
Moreover, the "controlNames" (as well as the "controlIDs") have never been
documented:

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11901

Best,
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On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 7:30 PM, panagiotis merakos <[hidden email]>
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> Hi Jacque,
>
> Control names within a group can be obtained by:
>
> "the childControlNames of group myGroup"
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 7:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 7/28/17 12:52 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> I can get the controlnames of a card, but at first blush the list does
>>> not include button names. However it*does*  list a great many numbers of 4
>>> digits. So I tried looking up controlNames in the dictionary and there is
>>> no entry for it, at least not by using the find function.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I just tested this and it looks like the controlNames of a card only
>> return the names of controls whose parent is the card. Controls within a
>> group are listed by ID. I'm not sure if this is correct or not, I can see
>> the logic, but it would seem if the parent has to be the card then controls
>> within a group shouldn't be in the list at all.
>>
>> My test card used a background group; it might be different for a card
>> group.
>>
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Re: controlNames deprecated??

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Hi Jacque.

My growing consternation is that I have a LOT more lines in the list than show up in the application browser. But I suppose I have a lot of groups within groups so okay.

What I am actually trying to do is get a list of every visible object on a card so I can set the windows size to encompass all VISIBLE objects. I need to take into account group borders though, because a group on one side of the card will produce a larger visible distance that the other side (if it contained no groups or objects with margins).

The idea is to have a function which automatically sizes a card to encompass all visible objects with extra margins on the 4 sides. I say visible because the menuBar is typically invisible on the Mac OS, and I do not want to include that, nor do I care about imported graphics I have hidden, like the one I use for my background patters for instance.

It seems there ought to be a way to get the names of all visible objects on a card without having to loop through every single field (think datagrids and shudder) or button (think menubars and shudder some more) or group (think datagrids again containing groups within groups and run screaming naked into the hills).

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:21 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 7/28/17 12:52 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I can get the controlnames of a card, but at first blush the list does not include button names. However it*does*  list a great many numbers of 4 digits. So I tried looking up controlNames in the dictionary and there is no entry for it, at least not by using the find function.
>
>
> I just tested this and it looks like the controlNames of a card only return the names of controls whose parent is the card. Controls within a group are listed by ID. I'm not sure if this is correct or not, I can see the logic, but it would seem if the parent has to be the card then controls within a group shouldn't be in the list at all.
>
> My test card used a background group; it might be different for a card group.
>
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Re: controlNames deprecated??

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Hi Bob,

On 2017-07-28 19:52, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I can get the controlnames of a card, but at first blush the list does
> not include button names. However it *does* list a great many numbers
> of 4 digits. So I tried looking up controlNames in the dictionary and
> there is no entry for it, at least not by using the find function.

It is hard to know from this what to expect (as I don't know what
structure your card has).

Could you file a report in the quality center, with a simple stack which
shows what you are seeing?

It will make it much easier to determine if it is, indeed, a bug, or
just a strange (but correct) behavior.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: controlNames deprecated??

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On 7/28/17 1:33 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> What I am actually trying to do is get a list of every visible object on a card so I can set the windows size to encompass all VISIBLE objects.

In that case, I think you want the formattedRect of the card. It ignores
invisibles.

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Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > What I am actually trying to do is get a list of every visible object
 > on a card so I can set the windows size to encompass all VISIBLE
 > objects. I need to take into account group borders though, because a
 > group on one side of the card will produce a larger visible distance
 > that the other side (if it contained no groups or objects with
 > margins).

The formattedRect of the card accounts for object visibility.

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> On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:34 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It is hard to know from this what to expect (as I don't know what structure your card has).
>
> Could you file a report in the quality center, with a simple stack which shows what you are seeing?

I will file a report, but for those that do not want to dig that up, the command:

put the controlnames of card 1 of stack "Passwords"

produces a list of mostly numbers. Note that no lines start with "btn" which all my button names begin with. I think Jacque is right, anything in a group gets it's ID listed and not it's name.

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I cannot file a bug report. The QCC is saying "A value must be set for the 'Desktop OS' field, but I am not being presented with a Desktop OS field.

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2017, at 13:11 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:34 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> It is hard to know from this what to expect (as I don't know what structure your card has).
>>
>> Could you file a report in the quality center, with a simple stack which shows what you are seeing?
>
> I will file a report, but for those that do not want to dig that up, the command:
>
> put the controlnames of card 1 of stack "Passwords"
>
> produces a list of mostly numbers. Note that no lines start with "btn" which all my button names begin with. I think Jacque is right, anything in a group gets it's ID listed and not it's name.


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Thanks Jacque and Richard.

That will do the trick, except that while the vertical works, the horizontal does not. By that I mean I can expand the size of the stack and the top and bottom items do not change, but if I expand the stack sideways the right DOES change. Further, the left always reports -1.

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2017, at 12:26 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> The formattedRect of the card accounts for object visibility.
>
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It's under item 4 of "enter a bug" (
http://quality.livecode.com/enter_bug.cgi )

It insists on you filling in this in order - so once you fill in the

"I can see this in ..." (choose IDE vs Desktop vs ...) ,

it will then present you with a box for OS,

   then for version,

   then for ....

-- Alex.


On 28/07/2017 21:14, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

> I cannot file a bug report. The QCC is saying "A value must be set for the 'Desktop OS' field, but I am not being presented with a Desktop OS field.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 13:11 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:34 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is hard to know from this what to expect (as I don't know what structure your card has).
>>>
>>> Could you file a report in the quality center, with a simple stack which shows what you are seeing?
>> I will file a report, but for those that do not want to dig that up, the command:
>>
>> put the controlnames of card 1 of stack "Passwords"
>>
>> produces a list of mostly numbers. Note that no lines start with "btn" which all my button names begin with. I think Jacque is right, anything in a group gets it's ID listed and not it's name.
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I selected IDE (I did it again) and I cannot see the OS field. The web page is jacked. Or my browser is. Not surprising the latter as Mozilla has been becoming increasingly less usable as the months go by.

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2017, at 13:39 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> It's under item 4 of "enter a bug" ( http://quality.livecode.com/enter_bug.cgi )
>
> It insists on you filling in this in order - so once you fill in the
>
> "I can see this in ..." (choose IDE vs Desktop vs ...) ,
>
> it will then present you with a box for OS,
>
>  then for version,
>
>  then for ....
>
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Duly submitted from Chrome. Something is wrong with Firefox.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20201

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2017, at 13:47 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I selected IDE (I did it again) and I cannot see the OS field. The web page is jacked. Or my browser is. Not surprising the latter as Mozilla has been becoming increasingly less usable as the months go by.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 13:39 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> It's under item 4 of "enter a bug" ( http://quality.livecode.com/enter_bug.cgi )
>>
>> It insists on you filling in this in order - so once you fill in the
>>
>> "I can see this in ..." (choose IDE vs Desktop vs ...) ,
>>
>> it will then present you with a box for OS,
>>
>> then for version,
>>
>> then for ....
>>
>> -- Alex.
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On 07/28/2017 01:52 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Duly submitted from Chrome. Something is wrong with Firefox.

I recently had a brief flirtation with Firefox for a few weeks, then
gave up in disgust and went back to Chrome. Web browsers are such memory
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Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > That [formattedRect] will do the trick, except that while the
 > vertical works, the horizontal does not. By that I mean I can
 > expand the size of the stack and the top and bottom items do
 > not change, but if I expand the stack sideways the right DOES
 > change. Further, the left always reports -1.

Is there maybe an object at -1 left?  When I tested here the
formattedRect returned the bounds of all visible objects reliably.

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On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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>
> I recently had a brief flirtation with Firefox for a few weeks, then gave
> up in disgust and went back to Chrome. Web browsers are such memory hogs
> these days.


I used slimjet for a few weeks (A chrome variant with the google reporting
removed) after a few years of firefox, and mozilla before that.

It was a somewhat smaller footprint (firefox had been going to a gig or so
of ram for each email), and could run multiple profiles at once  (instead
of multiple instances of firefox), but I've gone back to safari over most
things, both for the memory (still too much for multiple gmail), stability
(slimjet crashed twice most days), and most of all the keychain.  slimjet
*claimed* that it would use the keychain if you didn't use it's own
password system, but just plain didn't (although I think it tried exactly
once).  i'm not willing to store my passwords with google . . .

On the bright side, the latest versions of chrome throttle background tabs
(by 99%, iirc0 if they stay too active, a feature i expect t spread, and
the safari in High Sierra beta successfully blocks autoplay on websites.
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I use Firefox for dev'ing on the html5 engine as it tends to be at the forefront of 'what is to come' and also I find it's dev console somehow more responsive and 'better' than Chrome's and Safari's when dealing with huge blob of JS that the html5 engine is.

For everything else I use Chrome.

In all fairness to the Mozilla crew they are currently rewriting the core of FireFox in Rust (the Servo project). In fact Rust has been developed to do that.

When that is done we can fully expect that FireFox will be the most secure browser (at least as far as the bounds of the layout engine / JS engine goes) when evaluated from the point of view of having any exploitable vulnerabilities caused by coding errors (as you can't make such errors in Rust).

So if FireFox itself is going through a bit of a end-user low point it is likely in part to that (and the division of resources they must be facing).

Warmest Regards,

Mark

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>> On 07/28/2017 01:52 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
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Possible, although it is not a VISIBLE one. I selected all with select grouped on and off. There is nothing I can see to account for it.

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> On Jul 28, 2017, at 16:10 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Is there maybe an object at -1 left?  When I tested here the formattedRect returned the bounds of all visible objects reliably.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin


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